THIS JUST IN! TRADE COMING! (Moochie For Weatherspoon)

i understand matt maloney is available...

 

I think this raises a very interesting question. Who did call who first? I can't imagine that NY would publically say they are trying to buy out a contract, then ask for a trade. "Hey we are going to pay to throw this guy away, want to make an offer for him?"

I think it had to be that we initiated the call. CD saw that the Knicks were despeate and made an offer to the new guy.

This trade does not help our floor play, but it does improve our situation. I can't immagine that Spoon gets much playing time. Obviously Amichi didn't get any and Moochs was going down steadily. This was a trade strictly about contracts. This does, in my opinion, help our salary situation.

A bad situation was made a little better. Good job.

 

Silly question to ask, but does anyone have feedback from Knicks BBS board about this trade?

 

Agree with you

 

They have already been doing this over the last few weeks. In fact they have been using JJ as a point forward with Francis at SG.

 

BWAHAHAAHAAHAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA!


ehh....


BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA!


Anyone have Isiah's cell #? I've got some oceanfront property for sale in Arizona I think he'd be interested in.

 

It is a wake up call, Sleepy.

 

NEWS FLASH!!! WEATHERSPOON IS NOT THE SAVIOR. BUT IT HELPS.

WEATHERSPOON IS A BETTER PLAYER THAN MOOCHIE.
WILKS IS A BETTER PLAYER THAN MOOCHIE.

LOOK AT THE NUMBERS


PLAYING FOR A REBOUND r****dED TEAM LIKE OUR MIGHTY ROCKETS, WEATHERSPOON COULD BRING DOWN 10-15 REBOUNDS A NIGHT.

 

loosen up on the caps buddy

 

I'd prefer to have none of them - all three are marginal (at best) players - guys who should be sitting on the bench (toward the end of the bench). So we dumped Moochie & Amechi. BIG WHOOP! In return, we now have a 33 year old marginal, short PF, who couldn't get playing time at the Knicks, to try and fill the void at PF created by the dumbass boneheads in the front office. Yeah, we should all be really stoked about this development. Our cups runneth over...

 

OK, let me get this straight. We ditch 2 bad contracts for 1 bad contract that nets (sorry to use that word) us a no. 3 PF who is virtually useless in helping the team become competative at that position vis-a-vis the other teams in the West. This is something?

Is this what Rocket fans have become? Have 4+ years of mediocre bad dumbass basketball so lowered expectations around here that crap personnel moves such as this are now acceptable, even lauded? This move was garbage, nothing more, nothing less. I don't understand why Rocket fans have to continue to settle for crumbs.

You want to see how a REAL NBA team makes a trade? Look no further than Dallas. In Aug I watched the Mavericks trade Nick Van Exel, Avery Johnson, Evan Eschmeyer, Popeye Jones and Antoine Rigaudeau in exchange for Golden State's Antawn Jamison, Danny Fortson, Jiri Welsch and Chris Mills. In Oct I watched Dallas make another REAL trade when they acquired three-time NBA All-Star Antoine Walker and Tony Delk from Boston in exchange for Raef LaFrentz, Jiri Welsch, Chris Mills and the Mavericks first round selection in the 2004 NBA Draft. Now THAT'S what I call a TRADE!

 

Hillboy, just come to accept the fact that Les is not Mark Cuban. He does not have the same cashflow as Cuban does. Not every owner does. Accept it. Some owners will go over the current LT and some will not. My feeling is that Les will ONLY go over the LT for a player that will put the team over the top, but not for just a piece that will add to the team gradually.

And for the record, with all the Mavs brilliant moves...they aren't playing all that well right now. It remains to be seen if all of those talent moves does jack squat. On paper it looks great, but in practice....

 

I remembered at the beginning of the camp, JVG asked Moochie to cut weight. Probabaly Mooche gave JVG a bad impression for not being doing extra during summer

 

I agree with you, basically this Moochie for weatherpoon trade is meaningless, actually Rockets team need major change, but I didn't see it coming.

 

How they (Mavs) are playing now is not the point I was making. My point is about how the Mavs are making a determined effort to acquire good players in order to upgrade their roster while the Rockets sit around spinning their wheels in the mud picking up junk players.

So Uncle Les isn't Mark Cuban? Who is? The difference between the two isn't money - Uncle Les is loaded as well - it's will. Cuban has the will, desire and the stones to do what it takes in order to make his team better. They may not win an NBA championship but it won't be due to a lack of effort on his part nor on the part of Don & Donnie Nelson. Can you or anyone here honestly say that the same thing is true about Uncle Les, CD et. al.?

Take a look at the Mavs roster and then look at the Rockets' roster and then you tell me who's doing the better job of finding and acquiring talent. This Rockets organization is a joke compared to the Mavericks, San Antonio, Sacremento and others and it all starts at the top with the timid uninspired boneheaded ownership of Les Alexander. Somebody's ass should have been on the line for the Eddie Griffin fiasco but not here where it's just another day in paradise...

If I sound angry it's because I am fed up with the pall of mediocrity that has enveloped this team. I hold Rudy T, CD and Uncle Les all responsible for the boring mess that the Rockets have become. In the NBA, the one thing you DON'T want to be is mediocre. Don't get me wrong, I can handle losing if I can see it leading somewhere. A lot of folks here want to see the Rockets make the playoffs - me, I'd be happy seeing them score more than 20 points in a period. Hell, I'd be estatic if they were to consistently score in the 90's. I want to see REAL progress on the court and that I have yet to see in any form or fashion thus far so I am angry and frustrated at the stupidity of it all.

 

Perhaps you are equating will and money? For perspectives sake, Alexander is a millionare and Cuban is a Billionare. A billion is 1,000 times more money than a million. If the average NBA franchise is worth $200m, a millionare might be able to buy one. Cuban can buy at least 4.

In his "will" to win, Cuban as PO'd many NBA players. He didn't even have the courtesy to call Nick Van Exel to tell him he was traded. Ever wonder what goes on in Michael Finley's mind as the press reinforces Dallas' lack of "bigs"? Or how long Antawn Jamison will enjoy being Antoine Walker's backup? Having a revolving door for personnel is no way to build a respectable, long-term winning franchise.

You may be dissatisfied with how Alexander or Dawson or Van Gundy manage the Rockets. And that is your "right" as a fan. But historically, NBA championship teams are built for the long haul and not continously changed from season to season. Cuban can get away with all of his mass changes because he inherited Nowitski when he bought the team. IMHO, take away Nowitsi and Cuban hasn't done squat.

 

well said.

Think of it this way, we've got one less player to transport and waste time on during practices. Two actually since spoon will never get a lot of time in practice and is getting old enough that he gums his food so he can't eat the peanuts and pretzels on the plane

Maybe he's just been hanging on to piss off the Knicks and now that he's on another team he'll have mercy on the league and retire?

Regardless the trade has small cap ramifications and removes a distraction. I give it a C, not good, but not bad either.

 

With Spoon, Rox has a 4-man rotation for the PF and C position.
If Spoon can hit an outside jumper, he can pair with Yao to form the front court for sometime when MoT does not shoot well or Cato's lack of offensive skills is exposed.

For example, against Utah, if Spoon can hit an outside jumper, AK47 would hesitate to cheat his man to double on Yao.
or against Minnesota, KG has to respect Spoon's outside jumper if Spoon can hit it.

No matter how bad you think Spoon is, if he can provide tough rebounding and hit a jumper, he is better than Moochie.

I know Yao still can not consistently beat his man one-on-one, but without double teaming, he at least can learn how to beat a man one-on-one consistently.

Is it optimal, no! Rox got screwed by EG. But what can you do?

Personnel wise, this year's team is not as good as last year's team.

Last year, we have Yao/Cato, EG/MoT, Posey, Mobley, SF.
This year, we miss two starters from last year's team, EG and Posey.

 

I don’t expect Weatherspoon to contribute much, but at the very least he’s not going to hurt the team once he enters the way Moochie did. He’s not going to dominate the ball. He’s not going to turn it over every time. He’s not going to take crazy shots. And he’s not going to get torched on defense the way Moochie did.

I would rather have a player that doesn’t make any difference in the game positive or negative like Spoon than someone like Mooch who can completely destroy any chance of winning a game.

 

A wake up call. Give me a break. Trade somebody that has value then its a wake up call . Trade a starter. Man this is a joke. The team is a joke b/c they barely beat a team that is in total hell.