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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by fchowd0311, May 14, 2018.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    Harden and Paul do cut to the basket.

    Second question a joke? Unless you think everybody cuts for a layup off the catch then they have to dribble. We ran cuts today and they were turnovers.

    I think the offense you want is harden/Paul isoing and driving to get a double team they can pass out of to an open drive. They already run that.

    Motion offenses need guys who can dribble and pass.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    How many of those did Durant score off of or assist on.

    Hint

    Rhymes with hero...
     
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  3. scolandry1

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    There's an "i" in Kevin, iso, b****, and win.
     
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    Ideally, what you're saying is the way to beat the Warriors. We just don't have the coaching or players to do it. When you watch the Celtics or Spurs play, their players are so well coached in their sets that they know the right move and cuts depending on how the defense plays them. That's how you maximize your talent.

    Our system is much more simplified and it relies on talented shooters rather than smart plays. Our only chance of winning this series is our players getting streaky. It's too late to change the way we play.
     
  5. bullman0036

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    Both teams played a lot of ISOs and that's OK. Harden and KD all made some tough shots and that's why they are superstars. Turnovers and transition buckets killed us tonight. Warriors is probably the only team that would choose a 3 in transition and it works for them because they got guys like thompson and curry. Rockets need to stay disciplined and contest every shot.

    Let's be honest. Rockets is the less talented team here. If they can't stay focused on limiting TOs and get back on the D,this series may be slipping away rather quickly...
     
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  6. DonKnock

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    We ran sets like this. Nothing opened up because the Warriors switched the screens off ball.

    Switching is designed to stop these types of actions, that's why teams do it.
     
  7. justtxyank

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    Exactly. We’re playing the best team of the modern era. They have four prime hall of famers plus a legit sixth man of the year quality player starting and then quality role players throughout. Basically everyone in the rotation is skilled with the ball. It’s unprecedented in nba history.
     
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  8. fchowd0311

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    Playing like the Warriors? I'm just asking for an offensive system that doesn't allow 4 of GS defenders to literally just stand there and sip some lemonade.

    Creating easy buckets for role players is a necessity to beat a juggernaut. You can't expect Harden to just bully ball his way into ridiculous iso attempt after ridiculous iso attempt. That's absurd.

    Gordon is a competent above average player. Green, Ariza, Gordon, Luc and cut to the basket once in a while from a off ball screens .We don't have to just have 4 players stand and watch Harden dribvle to 5 seconds and make a miraculous play.

    This Team's offense is essentially bailout shot after bailout shot along with soamming contested threes.
     
  9. justtxyank

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    We ran the plays you are saying we should run. They repeatedly ran plays to get ariza, luc and Gordon driving attempts, just like we have all year. They were total failures.
     
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  10. SamFisher

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    Yes this was the Warriors offense when KD was on the floor, though they were contested 2s.
     
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  11. DonKnock

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    Did you watch the game?

    Gordon had a cut to the rim and bobbled the ball out of bounds.

    Luc had three layups at the rim he missed.

    Tucker got nowhere off the bounce other than the one dish to Capela.

    Anderson played hot potato with the ball during the brief stint he was in.

    Green was shooting right off the catch when he got the ball.





    Non iso actions were given to these guys and they did nothing with them.
     
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  12. J Sizzle

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    I can only assume you did not watch the game, based on this post.
     
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  13. fchowd0311

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    No I actually did.

    Our system only has the primary ball handler and the screen man for the ball handler moving their feet .No one else ever moves. That makes defending easy
     
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    I would actually try Joe Johnson in this series. It's a long shot, but he's a sound decision maker with the ball, and makes plays from different angles than CP3/Harden.

    Defense is a risk, but we trotted out Ryan Anderson and Gerald Green at the same time. I think he'd be fine guarding most of the guys the Warriors are playing at the 4/5 (not named Durant...but nobody was stopping him either).
     
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    We did have actions for the role players. They just switched on every screen like we did and it was just a waste of shot clock.

    Whatever, I thjnk our switching killed a lot of their off ball actions too. They got a couple more through than us, but still mainly relied on Durant to shoot over everyone.

    One thing I realised is that as much as we abuse curry on d. Curry also does layup drills against Harden on the other side.

    That Warriors team is disgusting, their transition passing and spacing is just outta this world
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    If you can only remember one cut to the basket by Gordon then my point stands .

    Do it more often. Because it fails once or twice doesn't mean it doesn't work. Doing it consistently will make GS defenders actually try and expend more energy.
     
  17. DonKnock

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    GS was all over our off ball action because they switch on screens.


    You just keep ignoring this.


    Switching takes away off ball action, but you want more off ball action that will be neutralized by their switching defense.

    Iggy, Green, and Livingston aren't getting face cut or backdoored regularly because they have tons of energy because Durant iso'd for half the game and they got to just stand there.

    Green and Iggy WERE out for considerable time with foul trouble tho, because of being forced to play help def on our Iso plays, but we will ignore that cause you're arguing Iso ball destroys our chances.
     
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  18. fchowd0311

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    90% of our possessions had the initial screens to find the mismatch on Curry or one of their scrub bigmen and then all movement ceased at that point.
     
  19. DonKnock

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    Probably because we were getting nothing from our plays trying offball actions.


    Like the ones I listed above.
     
  20. daoshi

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    The Warriors is just more talented, and a better team. To beat them, the Rockets has to play their best, and for the Warriors to play average.
     

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