I would give up Mobley and any of our bad contracts! I think he could really help yao down low. He would need to calm his as* down! HE would also give us some toughness that we dont have. He could back Yao up in a fight or something.
Wallace is an unrestricted FA next summer. Shipping out a very good friend (Mpbley) is no way to get him to re-sign with Hoston. Bad idea IMO.
why do we need rasheed again? does he rebound well? defend well? block shots well? be a team player? if he can't do all that then we don't need him because quite frankly, that's all we need out of a PF.
Yup. If Cat and Rasheed are such good friends, then if Cat is traded away, there's not as much incentive for Wallace to come here. The ball is in Wallace's court. If he tells Portland he will only sign with Houston, that limits Portland's ability to trade him somewhere else and get anything in return. No team is gonna give up any major talent for a player to play for them for 5 months unless they are looking for cap space........and Portland is after the cap space so they have to trade Portland expiring contracts. What expiring contracts are out there that could be traded to Portland? I don't think Cat and Cato are going anywhere. They are key components to this team. Van Gundy and CD want to add to them and Steve and Yao. The Rocks will pick up Rasheed, or Kurt Thomas, or Boozer (didn't know he was an unrestricted FA), or Chris Mihm, or some other big during the offseason without giving up one of their current bigs. This team needs 4 producing big men to be ultimately successful playing the post defense that Van Gundy wants played. That is unless a big man falls in their laps and they can't refuse the deal.......spare parts, trade exception, and draft picks for him. Yao Rasheed JJ Steve Cat with Cato MoT Pike Jameer Nelson on the bench. Here's your 2004 Houston Rockets????
Sane was actually on the right track by suggesting a 3-way trade with Cleveland involving Ilgauskas. This evening, Silas benched Ilgauskas for most of the game when he collided with LeBron, impeding King James on his way to the basket. It has been reported for weeks that Ilgauskas is not the right fit in Cleveland. Silas and management want the team to run. Ilgauskas aka Frankenstein's Feet is not a part of that youth movement. The trade exception would come in handy. Cato would be perfect for the Cavs. Ilgauskas would work OK for Portland. They need a center anyway. Portland asked for Shareef in return for Rasheed. That could be another 3-way. You also might look into a deal for McDyess (Cato again? and the trade exception?) to send to Portland. But you'd have to make such a trade involve NY's 2004 1st rounder in order to make it worthwhile for the Blazers. I'd almost blush to send off Cato because he has played so well for us lately. He went toe to toe with Shaq and helped us get that Christmas present win. But something must be done. A few things. Peter Vecsey is an idiot and a drunk and his non-presence on TV is a blessing. But it is he who suggests that Rasheed would play with Steve and Yao and thus chooses the Rockets over the other two Texas teams. B.S.! He wants to be with Cuttino, as so many have pointed out. No one should suggest trading Steve and getting back just Rasheed Wallace. Even in a 3 way trade, that would be theft. And it is fairly clear that management is not looking to deal away Steve. I recently bashed Rasheed for his behavior against the teammate with the name that I can't remember (Boutj---er, Bout, er, Booty-Booty?) But if we acquired him, I'd have to deal with it. I hated Barkley before he was a Rocket, too. Not long ago (probably when Portland came to town), JVG praised Rasheed. Maybe JVG could tame the beast. I also wondered who would play backup center but maybe they could give 5 minutes to Alton Ford and the rest of the minutes to Rasheed. Imagine Rasheed drawing out the opposing center to open the lane for the guards. Of course, San Antonio could one-up us on this by offering Rasho and Hedo, or by making a deal with Cleveland offering those players; but I believe the trade exception we acquired for Amechi would be the kicker. 1) Steve, Mooch 2) Cuttino, Pike, JJ 3) JJ, Pike, Boki 4) Rasheed, Mo, Padgett 5) Yao, Sheed, Ford As Boki and Man-Jugs are not in the rotation anymore, they could be included, perhaps, to round out the numbers, along with the pick(s) the Bulls owe us, and maybe we could also get Q-Woods (an idiot, who you could probably find by following the trail of mar1juana seeds, but a talented idiot that Portland wants to get away from Zach Randolph). Which is to say, we don't need to deal any of the big 3 in order to land Rasheed. We can be savvy and get him.
it seems so easy to come up with these trades but yet it looks like CD doesnt have a clue what to do.
i know that but im just saying that there has to be some type of move CD could come up to help this team. It is evident that the current rooster most likely aint gonna cut it.
I think getting Sheed is a great move for the Rox, if we can manage to pull it off. This is why: 1) I think the presence of a dominant PF will improve our offense. Yao hasn't proven that he can muscle with the big guys and effectively deal with the double team. Sheed can lessen these two factors on Yao and allow Yao to become more of an offensive force. 2) I don't think Sheed has reached his full potential yet in Portland. His mental stability is a big uncertainty, but I don't think the Portland team atmosphere makes the situation better. Maybe joining the Rox will improve his attitude, work ethic, and behavior. I don't know if this is true, but I'm willing to take a risk. 3) Addition of Sheed makes the Rox contenders in 2004-05. I don't think that we can contend this year, but if we manage to keep him next year, I think we can make a serious run for the championship. 4) I don't mind trading Cat, Mo-T, Cato for Sheed. Heck, I'll even throw in Ewing (b/c I don't know what the heck he does anyway). Reality is that Portland won't want to trade unless that get something good in return. I think other teams are willing to offer up good players for Sheed. Yao and SF have higher market values than Sheed, but everyone else is fair game. I think we'll have to offer Cat, despite his personal relationship with Sheed.
I've got it, I really think I've got the best way to get Wallace. But it falls apart if Artest demands a trade or Indiana want to trade him. For this to happen, Artest must stay with Indy: It's all one deal, but I'll break it into 2 parts: Part 1 Rockets trade Kelvin Cato + Eric Piatowski + Boki to the Pacers for Al Harrington + Scott Pollard Why: Indiana are desperately lacking in depth at the 2 and 5. It's no secret (ask Indy fans) that they've been desperately searching for improvements in both areas. Pike is a perfect backup for Miller, can do the same things at this point in their respective careers. On a great contract, and doesn't mind coming off the bench. A vet as well. As for Cato, he easily becomes the starter. Pollard has been horriffic thus far, but we MUST take a chance on him, no choice really. They're overloaded at the 3 before this trade, and Harrington is their 2nd best 3 (a luxury they can't afford). With this, Artest starts while Bender and Croshere back him up. Part 2 Al Harrington + John Amaechi + TE for Rasheed Wallace Why: Portland get Al Harrington, a damn good young player to pair alongside Zach Randolph. I don't think they can find a brighter young star right now, the guy is also locked up to a great contract and hasn't had a brush with the law or the NBA. So they turn Wallace into 9.5M worth of cap space and Al Harrington. Compare this scenario to Harrington being an FA, they let Rasheed expire, and sign Al to a 6M dollar per year deal. It's perfect for them IMO. End result Yao/Pollard Rasheed/MoT/Alton Ford JJ/AG/Padgett Mobley/JJ Francis/Mooch/Wilks Cato/Foster/Brezec O'Neal/Croshere/Cato Artest/Bender/Croshere/Boki Miller/Pike KA/AJ/Tinsley Dale Davis/Boumtje Boumtje/Meech Randolph/Harrington Harrington/Patterson/DA DA/Stoudamire Stoudamire/McInnis Thoughts?
If Mitch Wiggins and Lew Lloyd hadn't had drug suspensions, they would have won a champiosnhip a lot sooner. Hell, if Ralph's knees hadn't gotten hurt they would have. They made it to the finals in Hakeem's 2nd year.
Sane, if we can parlay Cato + TE for Wallace then I am all for it. I just don't want to give up Francis for Wallace. Wallace is a gamble and a risk; just as you say. I don't want to trade Francis for a risk. If we were to trade Francis I want it more of a sure thing.
If Portland wants expiring contracts for Wallace then I don't believe they can move him. Portland makes sense if they CUT 'sheed and have a prearranged deal with Wallace and, let's say, Rox, where 'sheed moves over to Houston. Houston agrees to send TE for their next albatross, Patterson. Portland gets asset in TE + out of bad contract and players. They then rebuild for next year without those two. If I am Houston, do I do it?
Sane - It doesn't work. Harrington is $5.7m and Meech is $2.6m for a total of ~$8.3m. Plus $7m of TE is short of Wallace's $16.9m. Cleveland (Ilgauskas) and the Bucks (Redd to POR, Joe Smith or Caffey to HOU) are the best bets IMO. In mulling over the possibilities, don't solely focus on player for player. Think about the Rockets taking a bad contract for the TE as a deal sweetener. For example, this works capwise: SAR to POR Alan Henderson to HOU for TE Cato and Taylor to ATL Rasheed to Houston I'm not sure ATL would do it, but if both Houston and Portland threw in 1s rounders, they might. Obviously, I'm turning Cato and Taylor into SAR, which is far fetched but the Hawks are ridding themselves of 2 years @ ~$16m in Henderson. And as Jeff pointed out earlier, there is a risk in re-signing Wallace from Houston's perspective. Could Taylor play SF in the EC? Cato at C, moving Ratliff to PF and using Taylor at SF is a big front court in the EC.
First, your scenario violates the CBA. It is llegal for the Rockets and Portland to pre-arrange this deal. Further, the TE can not be used in this manner. There must be a minimum of a draft pick and a player exchanged using the TE. Secondly, if a best case scenario for POR is $8m of cap space, who would they target next summer. Look at the FA list...it's less than stellar.
Well, one step closer to Ron Artest...he's a headcase but I definitely like him more than Rasheed for some reason.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1695851
[temptemperament posted by steddinotayto [/i] why do we need rasheed again? does he rebound well? defend well? block shots well? be a team player? if he can't do all that then we don't need him because quite frankly, that's all we need out of a PF. [/QUOTE] Here's the enigma/temptation with Rasheed. He can do all of the the things you ask about. Well. Will he do it every night? Is JVG the coach to get him to do it? There's the problem. It's a risk, but the potential rewards are great. People comparing him to MoTay and Griffin are flat out wrong, IMHO. Even with his motivation/temperament problems he's better than those two.
