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ESPN: Facelift for the Francise

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rockergordon, Dec 24, 2003.

  1. farhan007

    farhan007 Member

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    you wouldnt be saying that if francis had won them just ONE more game last year.
     
  2. farhan007

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    the old offense got us 90+ pts, why not go back to the old one, and keep up with the new d? Our pt differential will go up...
     
  3. Man

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    I do miss the old Steve Francis who was how the guy described him in the article. That was entertaining...I miss Posey too..and Terence Morris. :p

    But I also wanted us to win and make the playoffs...I think a lot of people wanted less iso and to give the ball more to YAo...

    so uhh Rudy was replaced.

    And now we are here. Rockets are still painful to watch..although I still watch them. Yesterday for some reason I watched almost the entire game..even though it was horrible. And last Friday..it was so beautiful!

    I am missing Eddie too.

    Patience...beat LA tomorrow! Merry Christmas!
     
  4. Donatello

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    Amen
     
  5. rockets-#1

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    Nice tribute to Steve by Sam Smith, good article.
     
  6. Donatello

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    Who is this Sam Smith guy? That article was all fluff. With his logic he could make every mediocre player look great.
    Yeah, Cat could be the second coming of MJ :D
     
  7. Life2Def

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    It's not just the point guard, it's the shooting guard and small forward's fault also. When Steve passes it to Cat, he don't penetrate(same with JJ). then a late pick comes which the defense overplays almost all the time that leaves Cat/JJ to have to shoot from the elbow or from beyond the arc. It's either they're not running plays properly or poorly designed plays. I would suggest bringing our big men out more to allow more guard penetration but that's just me.
     
  8. hitman1900

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    Weren't the Suns already locked into the playoffs last year before the Rockets started winning games and the Suns started losing games to make the gap look just a wee bit small?
     
  9. Donatello

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    Yes! The Suns were already in, and then the Rox made up 3 games to make the difference 1 game only. While in actuality the gap was bigger.
     
  10. Sane

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    I'd love to do that too. I'd love to see Mobley shipped off for an Eric Snow type, and have Francis taking way more shots, resulting in way more shots for Yao as well because there would be mroe rebounds to score off and because the PG would be better at setting him up.

    I've always thought that's the way we should go. 3 role players who will be consistent with what they score ALL THE TIME, with Steve Francis and Yao Ming being the difference between a win and a loss.

    Basically, Philadelphia with Yao Ming at C.
     
  11. rlambs26

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    Francis is good...
    but there are a few players who can get scores and assists at the same time...like Marbury, Baron Davis, even AI...Why he can't be like them?
    I just wonder why SF's assist number can't increase and if he's give up the ball more, why his turn over number is still high up there....
    I don't know
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    This Sam Smith has been suckered just like many of the posters here. Steve has not sacrificed his game. Last year he took about 20% of the FGAs. How many has he taken this year? You guessed it, 20%. He still dribbles around in circles without gaining any advantage. He still brings the ball down and throws up a shot without anyone elsse touching the ball. He still drives straight into the teeth of the defense, praying that the refs will bail him out. It isn't that new constraints are hampering his game, it is that he doesn't seem able to succeed doing this year the same things he was doing last year. The difference is that this year he is expected to at least try to play defense. Sadly, his defense is not greatly improved. I think it is great that Steve wants to be in the position that McGrady and Iverson are in. Let's trade him to a team where he can do that so we can get on with the business of playing a team game and winning.
     
  13. Sane

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    Because Marbury, AI, and Baron's teams lack big-time post players. When Yao scores, Francis doesn't get an assist. MoT and Cat aren't the type to register an assist for the passer either.

    However, I still think he should average less turnovers. I'd be glad with 6 assists and 2.9 TO's. However, 5 assists and 4 TO's is unaccepteable.
     
  14. Chuck Nevitt

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    I miss the ISO offense.
     
  15. Uprising

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    I agree. Every game I have seen Yao and Stevie find the open man and give him the ball and yet the open man clanks the shot. Whenever Yao gets double teamed the ball eventually makes it into the wide open man's hand but yet...he misses the shot.


    I do miss the old Rockets. They used to be fun to watch. The last couple of games I have watched have been difficult to sit through.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    Stockton had No Rings

    Rocket River
     
  17. Rocket River

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    we getting less shot attempt this year
    is that steve's fault too????????

    Rocket River
     
  18. egn

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    He's not going to get an assist every time, but I can tell you if Steve had the competence to execute the pick n' roll with Yao, he would have at least 1 or 2 more assists a game. But anyway, it's not always about numbers!! All one has to do is just watch the game and you will see that he cannot do the job. It is obvious that Steve lacks mentality to function within the system (or as proven, any system other than iso).
     
  19. gucci888

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    EGN, you seem to blame SF for every single Rocket problem, do you not realize that the players around him aren't doing the job either. Do you not see Yao gettiing pushed out to 8-10 ft by players like Jeff Foster? Do you not see JJ missing wide open jump shots and turning over the ball himself?

    JVGs system is 2 months old, and you can't say that Steve isn't trying to get it down. We've seen what the Rockets can do (earlier in the season) with this system, this can be a very successful system, but it can't be done with 2 players. Last time I checked, we shot in the 30s % as a team.

    Great post Sane, I feel that trading SF for a PG would be a waste of talent. Bringing in a true PG to play along with Steve could really open back up his offensive game. Relieving some of the pressure off of Steve to make plays would help the Rockets offensive game, for everyone. Just imagine Philly with a dominant C.
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    No, that is JVG's game plan. Getting fewer shot attempts this season is not neccessarily a bad thing, it just makes for a lower scoring game overall and increases the value of each possession. It does make each turnover a little bit worse though. I don't know what this has to do with what I posted, but I hope I answered your question.
     

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