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The REAL problem with the rockets (from an unbiased view)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by gasnapalm, Dec 24, 2003.

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Im sick of the trash being posted around here without atleast backing it up with some points as to why and all these people bashing other players just because their favorite player is being bashed? Grow the f*ck up. This forum gives a me a head ache because it shows what kinds of fans we are. First of all if you think yao or steve is the main problem please question your basketball IQ as our forward position is the most glaring of this team's weaknesses. Theres already another thread going on about so I wont ramble on why. Secondly blaming yao for not becoming dominant and more aggressive can be mostly blamed on the guards, but the thing is the guards are really trying to feed it to him but their doing it all wrong and heres how, im not sure if you posters actually watch and analyze the games but this is obvious: Yao starts to work his positioning the guards usually take too much time dribbling it past half court half of the shot clock is already wasted due to the guards inability to break presses or simply because their dribbling too much, by then yao's man is now fronting him and the guards swing the ball to yao's side of the floor the guards then do not know how to throw a lob pass so swing it to the oppisite side of the floor making all the positioning yao is doing useless, he then starts to feel discouraged, knowing that he wont get the ball so why even work for inside position? You can even see this when he does pick and rolls with francis and mobley, do you see anyone else giving these guys as many screens as yao is doing? and how many times have the guards given yao the ball on a pick and roll? He just rolls with his arms in the air demanding for the ball, This is discouraging because he knows he wont get the ball so why even waste his energy battle for position when you know your going to either not get the ball or get the ball when the shot clocks low or when you dont have good position. Timing is the key here. Thats the reason he starts to play passively he gets discouraged and his team mates are not helping him out at all. People then b*tch that he should demand the ball and be more vocal, i dont care who you are but your not in yao's shoes, you dont just come into a team with an established leader of 4 years and try to take his role of team leader. Again I am not a francis or mobley hater and im not a yao-only fan, i've even admitted that the guards are actually trying to give yao the ball but their just not doing it the right way, its all about timing and his team mates need to help him out more.

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I saw one positive in this game. Moochie made a good-looking bounce pass into the post to Yao. Yao converted for a layup. Even Calvin was complimenting Moochie's pass. For some reason Moochie then stopped doing it.

#2 Charvo, Dec 24, 2003
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Originally posted by Charvo
I saw one positive in this game. Moochie made a good-looking bounce pass into the post to Yao. Yao converted for a layup. Even Calvin was complimenting Moochie's pass. For some reason Moochie then stopped doing it.
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caught that as well, notice how even mooch consistently brought the ball up better and made some timely passes, hes pretty underated in terms of not being able to do ANYTHING right.

#3 gasnapalm, Dec 24, 2003
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word gasnapalm i just posted almost the same thing in the yao can't dominate thread or whatever, forgot the real name of the thread. And the times i watch rockets game that are televised in los angeles, i have yet to actually see moochie be as bad as everyone paints him to be.

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man, you spoke the truth....

it is so damn hard to get a point across on this site now...

people here just label and bash, and dont analyze...

where were the fun days?

#5 fietguy, Dec 24, 2003
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Originally posted by Charvo
I saw one positive in this game. Moochie made a good-looking bounce pass into the post to Yao. Yao converted for a layup. Even Calvin was complimenting Moochie's pass. For some reason Moochie then stopped doing it.
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When Moochie plays like this, and he can if he wants to. But remember he is showing just how poor Steve realy is as a Playmaker. Moochie is one of Steves Groupies and he isnt going to upstage the Team Leader.So we seldom see the best of Moochie.

#6 Yetti, Dec 24, 2003
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Did you guys see how many times YM was open after setting up a screen tonight? I counted at least 5 times he was WIDE OPEN and they didnt pass him the ball. He had his hands up waiting for it but nothing came.

Go SF...for being unable to finish. He does a good job of getting to the basket...gets a good shot...and misses.

#7 chow_yun_fat, Dec 24, 2003

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Originally posted by Yetti
When Moochie plays like this, and he can if he wants to. But remember he is showing just how poor Steve realy is as a Playmaker. Moochie is one of Steves Groupies and he isnt going to upstage the Team Leader.So we seldom see the best of Moochie.
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Absolutely right. He got that big fat contract by sitting out because he knew damn well that SF would back him up. These two came from same place.

#8 RoxBigFan, Dec 24, 2003
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Same thinng i was thinking, now trade the damn franchise.

#9 sup123, Dec 24, 2003
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i dont think any trading is that necessary, if the team can just work on its offensive chemistry (and timing) we'll be in pretty good shape, this missing wide open shots thing has also got to stop

#10 gasnapalm, Dec 24, 2003
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Originally posted by gasnapalm
Im sick of the trash being posted around here without atleast backing it up with some points as to why and all these people bashing other players just because their favorite player is being bashed? Grow the f*ck up. This forum gives a me a head ache because it shows what kinds of fans we are. First of all if you think yao or steve is the main problem please question your basketball IQ as our forward position is the most glaring of this team's weaknesses. Theres already another thread going on about so I wont ramble on why. Secondly blaming yao for not becoming dominant and more aggressive can be mostly blamed on the guards, but the thing is the guards are really trying to feed it to him but their doing it all wrong and heres how, im not sure if you posters actually watch and analyze the games but this is obvious: Yao starts to work his positioning the guards usually take too much time dribbling it past half court half of the shot clock is already wasted due to the guards inability to break presses or simply because their dribbling too much, by then yao's man is now fronting him and the guards swing the ball to yao's side of the floor the guards then do not know how to throw a lob pass so swing it to the oppisite side of the floor making all the positioning yao is doing useless, he then starts to feel discouraged, knowing that he wont get the ball so why even work for inside position? You can even see this when he does pick and rolls with francis and mobley, do you see anyone else giving these guys as many screens as yao is doing? and how many times have the guards given yao the ball on a pick and roll? He just rolls with his arms in the air demanding for the ball, This is discouraging because he knows he wont get the ball so why even waste his energy battle for position when you know your going to either not get the ball or get the ball when the shot clocks low or when you dont have good position. Timing is the key here. Thats the reason he starts to play passively he gets discouraged and his team mates are not helping him out at all. People then b*tch that he should demand the ball and be more vocal, i dont care who you are but your not in yao's shoes, you dont just come into a team with an established leader of 4 years and try to take his role of team leader. Again I am not a francis or mobley hater and im not a yao-only fan, i've even admitted that the guards are actually trying to give yao the ball but their just not doing it the right way, its all about timing and his team mates need to help him out more.
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This post is too long to basically just point out the obvious. Furthermore, the guy opens with "People who think Yao and Steve are the problems need to check their basketball IQ because the forwards are the problem" and then he gets into the body of his hurl post and doesn't een mention the forwads nd blames the Rockets problems on the guards. So I can only conclude that this guy is a kiss a-- to posters who complain about posters who's stance is that the Rockets' problem is Yao or Francis. Sir, if you're going to criticize, make damn sure YOU can back it up because YOU did a very poor job of backing up your claim in this post. In fact, by the end of your post, YOU were taking one of the sides that you spat at in your intro............or maybe as you thought things out for the first time you began to realize that some of the posters you set out to criticize were on to something.

#11 Deuce Rings, Dec 24, 2003
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Originally posted by gasnapalm
Im sick of the trash being posted around here without atleast backing it up with some points as to why and all these people bashing other players just because their favorite player is being bashed? Grow the f*ck up. This forum gives a me a head ache because it shows what kinds of fans we are. First of all if you think yao or steve is the main problem please question your basketball IQ as our forward position is the most glaring of this team's weaknesses. Theres already another thread going on about so I wont ramble on why. Secondly blaming yao for not becoming dominant and more aggressive can be mostly blamed on the guards, but the thing is the guards are really trying to feed it to him but their doing it all wrong and heres how, im not sure if you posters actually watch and analyze the games but this is obvious: Yao starts to work his positioning the guards usually take too much time dribbling it past half court half of the shot clock is already wasted due to the guards inability to break presses or simply because their dribbling too much, by then yao's man is now fronting him and the guards swing the ball to yao's side of the floor the guards then do not know how to throw a lob pass so swing it to the oppisite side of the floor making all the positioning yao is doing useless, he then starts to feel discouraged, knowing that he wont get the ball so why even work for inside position? You can even see this when he does pick and rolls with francis and mobley, do you see anyone else giving these guys as many screens as yao is doing? and how many times have the guards given yao the ball on a pick and roll? He just rolls with his arms in the air demanding for the ball, This is discouraging because he knows he wont get the ball so why even waste his energy battle for position when you know your going to either not get the ball or get the ball when the shot clocks low or when you dont have good position. Timing is the key here. Thats the reason he starts to play passively he gets discouraged and his team mates are not helping him out at all. People then b*tch that he should demand the ball and be more vocal, i dont care who you are but your not in yao's shoes, you dont just come into a team with an established leader of 4 years and try to take his role of team leader. Again I am not a francis or mobley hater and im not a yao-only fan, i've even admitted that the guards are actually trying to give yao the ball but their just not doing it the right way, its all about timing and his team mates need to help him out more.
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loosely translate
If Yao does bad . . .it is the guard's fault
If Yao does good . .. Well that is Yao being Yao

Rocket River

#12 Rocket River, Dec 24, 2003
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Originally posted by Deuce Rings
This post is too long to basically just point out the obvious. Furthermore, the guy opens with "People who think Yao and Steve are the problems need to check their basketball IQ because the forwards are the problem" and then he gets into the body of his hurl post and doesn't een mention the forwads nd blames the Rockets problems on the guards. So I can only conclude that this guy is a kiss a-- to posters who complain about posters who's stance is that the Rockets' problem is Yao or Francis. Sir, if you're going to criticize, make damn sure YOU can back it up because YOU did a very poor job of backing up your claim in this post. In fact, by the end of your post, YOU were taking one of the sides that you spat at in your intro............or maybe as you thought things out for the first time you began to realize that some of the posters you set out to criticize were on to something.
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how did i do a poor job of backing up my post? I said yao or steve is not the main problem they are struggling but they are NOT the main problem.

I am stating that the guards and yao are struggling with their timing all you do is come and label me as a kiss ass to another poster which is irrelevent to my post pls STFU if your not going to even read my post

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Originally posted by Rocket River
loosely translate
If Yao does bad . . .it is the guard's fault
If Yao does good . .. Well that is Yao being Yao

Rocket River
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when did i say this? what a horrible interpretation of what I was saying. Its so obvious when yao is struggling by himself or if the guards are struggling in getting him the ball. 4 FG attemps last night? Yao was not struggling last night as he either went to the line or scored everytime he finaly got the ball. Open up your eyes people when yao is setting those huge screens 15 feet out and doesnt even get the ball wide open on a roll hes not going to be playing well for the rest of the night, why would he?

When Yao often does good Steve is doing good as well dont you see this? its evident in the clippers game the guards were setting him up good and they were all praised.

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Originally posted by Deuce Rings
So I can only conclude that this guy is a kiss a-- to posters who complain about posters who's stance is that the Rockets' problem is Yao or Francis. Sir, if you're going to criticize, make damn sure YOU can back it up because YOU did a very poor job of backing up your claim in this post.
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This is interesting.

Bashing someone for bashing the bashers.

#15 Sishir Chang, Dec 24, 2003
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Originally posted by Yetti
When Moochie plays like this, and he can if he wants to.
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Hehe! Very good joke! I am not even going to read the rest of your post.

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Originally posted by gasnapalm
how did i do a poor job of backing up my post? I said yao or steve is not the main problem they are struggling but they are NOT the main problem.

I am stating that the guards and yao are struggling with their timing all you do is come and label me as a kiss ass to another poster which is irrelevent to my post pls STFU if your not going to even read my post
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Don't play games with me. You read your post again. I read it word for word before I wrote my initial post. You open by questioning the IQ's of anybody and everybody that would blame the Rockets problems on Yao or Francis saying it is the forwards that are the problem, then you never mention forwards again in your entire post. Instead, you proceeded to blame the Rockets problems on the guards who "dribble around too much", which is the very complaint of half the people who's IQ's you questioned. It was like you were changing your mind throughout your entire post. And please don't try and use Jedi mind tricks on me thinking you can change the reality of what you wrote by screaming in future posts that you said something else. It's not working.

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Unbiased? What because you wrote it?

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Originally posted by bigboymumu
Unbiased? What because you wrote it?
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GasnaPalm-
I don't see the reason for starting a new thread. You could of just added your two cents on the it's not yao, it's not Francis thread...

#19 bigboymumu, Dec 24, 2003
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Originally posted by Deuce Rings
This post is too long to basically just point out the obvious. Furthermore, the guy opens with "People who think Yao and Steve are the problems need to check their basketball IQ because the forwards are the problem" and then he gets into the body of his hurl post and doesn't een mention the forwads nd blames the Rockets problems on the guards. So I can only conclude that this guy is a kiss a-- to posters who complain about posters who's stance is that the Rockets' problem is Yao or Francis. Sir, if you're going to criticize, make damn sure YOU can back it up because YOU did a very poor job of backing up your claim in this post. In fact, by the end of your post, YOU were taking one of the sides that you spat at in your intro............or maybe as you thought things out for the first time you began to realize that some of the posters you set out to criticize were on to something.
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Not only that but gasnapalm needs to learn spacing in his long ass posts. It's nearly unreadable. Damn, skip a line once in a while or was it one huge sentence with no beginning and no end...

BTW, lovely name gas napalm...

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