Starbucks closing stores after 2 black men arrested

I agree, there was a small injustice created by the male oppressors of the innocent female manager who lost her job by trying to enforce the rules of her store. The patriarchy cannot handle a woman in a position of power wielding that power against those who would oppress her. She was first disrespected by the 2 men in the store whose male fragility wouldn't allow them to respect a woman in a position of power, then she was oppressed by the male CEO of Starbucks for daring to be a woman telling men what to do.

 

Yes, pretzeling yourself into knots explaining what happens all the time as just a one time thing without all the facts and blaming the media takes talent. Nicely done. Starbucks truthers are out hea.

Lets see how your BS narrative stands up to the facts.



Philadelphia Starbucks Arrests, Outrageous to Some, Are Everyday Life for Others
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/17/us/starbucks-arrest-philadelphia.html

PHILADELPHIA — The video of the police arresting two black men in a Starbucks, viewed more than 10 million times online, quickly prompted a full-blown crisis: accusations of racism, protests both in and around the cafe, and a corporate apology on “Good Morning America.”

But to some black Philadelphia residents who venture into Rittenhouse Square, the neighborhood where it happened, the treatment depicted in the video was a frustrating reality of everyday life.

Christian Hayden, 30, recalled a security guard searching his bags as he left a nearby Barnes & Noble. The guard found his copy of Ta-Nehisi Coates’s memoir “The Beautiful Struggle,” and would not let him leave until the staff had checked the shelves to make sure no copy had been stolen.

Trevor Johnson, 27, a bike courier, recalled being arrested in the square four years ago after an officer asked him to turn off his music and he got up to walk away.

And earlier this year, Michele Bradshaw, 49, said she left a Nordstrom Rack not far from the Starbucks after she noticed a security guard following her through the aisles of clothing.

In fact, statistics show that Rittenhouse Square, with its hotels, boutique museums and upscale shops, has the highest racial disparity in the city when it comes to police pedestrian stops. Although black people account for just 3 percent of the residents in that police subdistrict, they made up two-thirds of the people stopped by the police in the first half of 2017, according to figures collected by the American Civil Liberties Union.

“It is clear that African-Americans are not welcomed in that part of the neighborhood, period,” said Jordan A. Harris, a representative in the state house and chairman of the state’s legislative black caucus.

On Tuesday, Starbucks, whose chief executive, Kevin Johnson, has apologized for the incident, said it would close more than 8,000 of its stores on May 29 to conduct anti-racial bias training for nearly 175,000 employees.

A small group of activists and clergy members met with Howard Schultz, the company’s executive chairman, and the Philadelphia district attorney for about an hour on Tuesday afternoon.

Though most of the attention is being directed toward Starbucks, some activists, politicians and policy experts place the blame for the incident on a system of law enforcement that is disproportionately harsh toward black people.

“I think the cops’ behavior was not only outrageous, but it was par for the course,” said Rashad Robinson, the director of Color of Change, a racial justice organization. “It’s what happens day in and day out in communities around the country.”

But the case also raises tricky questions of law enforcement policies and practices, like when officers should make arrests instead of using other methods to resolve nonviolent disputes.

A manager at the Starbucks cafe called the police, saying that the two men were sitting in the store without purchasing anything and that they had refused to leave.

The eight-minute video clip of the encounter shows three officers in bicycle helmets standing around two black men, who were sitting and calmly responding to the officers’ questions. One of the men told the police that they had a meeting, and the officer told him, “I’ll give you one more chance” to leave.

A few minutes go by, with the officers and the men continuing to exchange words, when a white man who was supposed to meet the men showed up. He began arguing with the officers, saying that they were discriminating against the two black men. Eventually, the white man said they would just go somewhere else, but the officer responded, “They’re not free to leave,” adding that they had already failed to comply.

A short time later the two black men were placed in handcuffs and taken to the police station to be booked.

 

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Initially, the city’s police commissioner, Richard Ross, emphasized that the officers who made the arrest “followed policy, they did what they were supposed to do, they were professional in all their dealings with these gentlemen — and instead they got the opposite back.”

But in an interview with a local television station on Monday, the commissioner struck a more conciliatory note and admitted that he wished that Starbucks had never called the police.

“The whole thing is unfortunate,” Commissioner Ross told WPVI, an ABC affiliate. “Wish it hadn’t happened, from start to finish.”

Though he defended the officers and said that it appeared they had not done anything wrong, the commissioner said that the department was now reviewing its procedures. “If we had our druthers, we wouldn’t have came there in the first place,” he said.

Policing experts said that while it was not clear the officers did anything in violation of the law or police policy, the emphasis at many departments would have been on trying to avoid any incident like the one that played out.

Audio of the 911 and dispatch calls, released on Tuesday, also raised questions about how those calls may have affected the officers as they responded to the call.

“Hi, I have two gentlemen in my cafe that are refusing to make a purchase or leave,” said the Starbucks employee who called 911.

But when the dispatcher put out the call to the police, he said: “We’ve got a disturbance there. A group of males refusing to leave.”

Ronal Serpas, a former police chief in New Orleans and Nashville, said it was “troublesome that an arrest occurred,” given the tremendous discretion officers have to handle such situations.

“Using every available alternative to a physical arrest, within department policy, should be the goal in a case like this,” said Mr. Serpas, who is now a professor at Loyola University New Orleans.

Jim Bueermann, the president of the Police Foundation, a nonpartisan research organization, said that the incident reflected a systemic problem with how the police deal with such episodes.

“This is a very typical example of the difficult place police officers find themselves in every day, where a business is on one side, saying, ‘We want you to enforce the law, because these people are being uncooperative and are technically violating the law,’ ” Mr. Bueermann said. “And on the other side, officers are trying to be sensitive because of the nature of the situation and everyone involved.”

This city has struggled for years to curb discriminatory police stops. The police department entered into a consent decree with the A.C.L.U. after the organization sued the city in 2010.

Since the election two years ago of Mayor Jim Kenney, who campaigned partly on an agenda of curbing unjustified police stops, the total number of pedestrian stops has fallen by half. The proportion of unjustified stops has also dropped sharply, according to Mary Catherine Roper, deputy legal director of the Pennsylvania A.C.L.U., crediting the mayor’s efforts.

But the racial disparity in pedestrian stops has not budged, and one in five stops are still made without any justification, she said.

Black residents say that those stops are acutely felt in the Rittenhouse Square neighborhood in the center of the city, the site of the now infamous Starbucks. The area was quiet on Tuesday afternoon. A few birds chirped in the cold. Tulip tree blossoms crowned in pink the park that is at the center of the neighborhood.

The neighborhood was the part of town where African-Americans were driven out because of riots started by white residents in the mid 1800s, according to Marcus Anthony Hunter, the chairman of the Department of African-American Studies at the University of California, Los Angeles. The rise of housing projects, and later urban renewal, eventually led to a decrease in the black population, he said. And over the past 20 years, the neighborhood has become almost all white because of gentrification.

Linda Richardson, a 71-year-old black woman, lived just off Rittenhouse Square in 1967, with her white husband and their young daughter, when the neighborhood had become majority white. People often mistook her for her daughter’s nanny. Even back then, she said, she remembered that little black boys who wanted to play in the square were often asked to leave.

 

@Bobbythegreat I found an upgrade for you breh. You won't even need to carry scissors bc no screen doors! You're welcome, kiddo.

 

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I think it's silly to close down all of the stores because of one incident involving a small handful of people. American society has an extreme fear of being branded a racist, probably due to having guilty consciences. And it causes some to occasionally act irrationally when the threat of a racist accusation is tossed around.... and of course this is recognized by others and abused. Usually the people doing the loudest virtue signaling and sanctimonious lecturing are the people with the most racist thoughts contaminating their brains. So they must outwardly self-correct and prove to themselves that they aren't bad people. The_Conquistador has no such problem. My conscience is squeaky clean and, as such, I have no need to virtue signal.

If I were a shareholder of Starbucks, I'd be upset that they are closing stores, losing profits, and making themselves a national mockery for a racial training charade that will accomplish nothing.

GOOD DAY

 

Lol at this dude getting "reparation coffee"

https://ijr.com/ijr-red/2018/04/108...offee-after-asking-for-starbucks-reparations/

 

TL DR. By the way ...how did that Michael Brown situation work out?

 

Your take isn't anything to brag about because it too assumes the two men did something wrong, twice you've stated in this thread that there just isn't something right about these two men...with 0 evidence even pointing to anything you've said but just random conspiracy thinking.

Meanwhile, he posts an actual article with facts in it and all you can give is "TL;DR" and we wonder why we can't discuss race issues. We're supposed to respect your rambling about how this could all be some liberal false flag and ignore the people that were actually there to see it and the known facts surrounding this whole little incident.

You should try reading what he posted, it has plenty of relevant information.

 

An implicit racial bias refers to unintentional judgments a person makes of a group (e.g. good/bad) of a certain ethnicity. So a person who shows implicit racial bias might not be aware of it. Police officers have been found to show a racial bias against black people in the decision to shoot.[17]

In one of the studies, researchers investigated how stereotypes affected police officers' decisions to shoot. They used a video game and exposed their participants to pictures of either Whites or Non-Whites who were armed or unarmed. During this video game, the participants were asked to choose between "shoot" or "don't shoot" as quickly as possible. The results were that the participants shot armed black people faster than armed white people and chose "don't shoot" faster for unarmed white than unarmed black persons.

The authors explained those findings by the activation of stereotype thinking which lead white people to associate black people with danger. Because of this stereotype, the participants expected blacks to carry a gun and therefore were quicker to make the "shooting" decision.[11] Other studies have found similar results.[18][19] The time pressure to make a decision in decisions to shoot might magnify the effects of racial bias.[20]

Numerous studies have proven again and again that police, everyday citizens, etc. have an implicit negative bias against blacks. You would have to be an uneducated idiot to believe it’s not real. But then again there are people who think Sandy Hook was fake and cutting taxes leads to more tax revenue so what can you do with people like Bobby.

 

No....here is a direct quote from you:

"I have no doubt race played a factor. It doesn't matter."

 

If that area doesn't want blacks, blacks shouldn't spend money there. Problemsolved. Would not give a **** about changing it.

I do understand sometimes people have to be there but I would not frequent the Galleria if it was like that

Just my opinion

 

Race played a decision with one person, the manager assuming

Do not care

He can't hinder me any type of way

I know what I wrote

 

Impoverished Kenyan Coffee Bean Worker Really Cares What Starbucks Says.

“Not every company is willing to take on an issue as complicated as race, and I’m just excited to find out how they plan to address inequality moving forward. Hopefully, we’ll see some real, concrete change from this.” At press time, sources confirmed Mwangi had been beaten unconscious on the job after being inspired by Starbucks to engage his fellow farmhands in a discussion about racial injustice in all its forms.

 

A Starbucks manager ain't causing me to lose sleep with his overrated coffee

If he did then I would lose

 

You specifically wrote that the two black guys were asked to leave Starbucks due to their race. You further went on to say that it doesn't matter. You further went on to say that there was no injustice. Do you deny you wrote those lines?

 

Yep, facts too long to read for someone who wants to look the other way.

The Michael Brown situation worked out with the DOJ finding that the police and courts system in Ferguson were racist as ****. More facts you're willing to ignore.

Justice Department sues Ferguson over police conduct
https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/us/ferguson-justice-department-agreement-vote/index.html

 

It doesn't matter as in it's just overrated coffee no one should care so much about that they weren't even trying to purchase

Is it clear now what doesn't matter is referring to

Good Lord 100 posts on you trying to prove me wrong instead of listening

 

Ummm not solved, this is against the constitution lol.

Yes, what a great precedent this sets.

"You can kick people out of your stores for their race!" This is what you are saying. You said, all on this page, that race played a role here and that it doesn't matter because 'It's just Coffee'

Did we not have the Civil Rights movement?

 

No...you wrote that 2 black guys were asked to leave Starbucks and that you had no doubt IT WAS DUE TO THEIR RACE. You went on to say THAT DIDN'T MATTER. You followed that up with THERE WAS NO INJUSTICE.

Regardless of policy or overpriced coffee or an idiot manager or whatever....you claim that there was no injustice done for asking two guys to leave due to their race. Unbelievable.

 

Dude, I am not one to fight these hyperbolic racial incidents, but are you flirting with maybe celebrating the death of some guy? Just to win a "point" for your "team"? Sorry, that's ****ed up. Loss by default. Nobody real thinks Michael Brown deserved to die.