1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Trump pays hush money for secret children?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    35,097
    Likes Received:
    15,301
    In that case, I'm not interested. Insisting that some unidentified Christian values voter is a hypocrite for voting for Trump is getting very tiresome. Yes, Trump is a terrible person. Yes, I am very disappointed that so many evangelicals embraced him despite him neither exemplifying nor championing evangelical values. But the hypocrite argument is both specious and ineffective. And perhaps hypocritical itself -- 'I can vote for a morally compromised candidate because I never made any claims to the moral high ground, but you can't because your party claimed a moral high ground.'
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    Newsflash - Conservatives are hypocrites. Liberals are hypocrites. Conservatives point out the hypocrisy in liberals when it advances their agenda. Liberals point out the hypocrisy of conservatives when it advances their agenda.

    You can substitute any two opposite groups for Conservative and Liberal and the above statements would continue to be accurate.
     
  3. pirc1

    pirc1 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2002
    Messages:
    14,138
    Likes Received:
    1,882
    If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is hypocrites who want other people to follow rules, make sacrifices, do whatever but they follow completely different set of rules for themselves. It just shows many in GOP have no values at all, they would have no problem electing the devil to do "God" bidding. I never expected the hypocrite argument to do anything with the Trump voters, because people who do not use logic and reasoning cannot be changed by logical reasoning. What I am hoping is that the tons of people who did not vote in 2016 will come out in 2018 and 2020 and swept away the GOP like the Democrats got washed away in 2010, although I have big doubts about the average voters in this country, time will tell.
     
  4. Anticope

    Anticope Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2001
    Messages:
    2,020
    Likes Received:
    1,217
    As someone who grew up in a right-wing evangelical family that preached immorality in things like divorce and adultery and constantly put the fear of God into us, I will never grow tired of this. Trump is the antithesis of everything that evangelicals claim to stand for and yet they overwhelmingly support him, it's one of the most shocking things I've ever witnessed.
     
    mdrowe00 likes this.
  5. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    101,927
    Likes Received:
    104,677
    Astros/Rangers? Rockets/Spurs?
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    Altuve/Odor may be the exception.
     
    Buck Turgidson likes this.
  7. prohibido

    prohibido Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2015
    Messages:
    261
    Likes Received:
    235
    Broidy is tied in to Gates. They both did work in Ukraine and for Ukrainian interests. Broidy has his fat fingers in all sorts of interesting areas - Romania, the UAE.
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    101,927
    Likes Received:
    104,677
  9. Rashmon

    Rashmon Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2000
    Messages:
    21,334
    Likes Received:
    18,350
    I'm not seeing any resemblance...
    [​IMG]
     
    Amiga and justtxyank like this.
  10. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
  11. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    the key to the belief that trump was paying for his own dalliance (not Broidy's)... Cohen did not list Broidy as a client...

     
    B-Bob and justtxyank like this.
  12. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    62,021
    Likes Received:
    41,621
    This seems too obviously true at this point, it explains a lot of the recent Trump panic.

    Not that there isn't money laundering and stuff too in Cohen's possession, it's that Trump is too dumb to know that that's illegal.

    The love child thing though, he can't make it go away. Eventually those people will be in a deposition in a civil case and they will have to answer or go to jail.
     
  13. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    42,941
    Likes Received:
    39,958
    Wow. That's a fascinating article.
     
  14. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,875
    Likes Received:
    3,745

    So Trump has supporters like Barbara Streisand and other powerful Hollywood figures who defended Clinton?

    Some of the most favorite Democrats in history, FDR, JFK, Clinton, have had well publicized affairs

    I'm not defending the impeachment but it was for lying in a sexual harrassment case
     
    #74 pgabriel, May 9, 2018
    Last edited: May 9, 2018
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,875
    Likes Received:
    3,745

    On taxes, the IRS has obviously looked at his taxes. There probably is someone dedicated to his taxes specially at the IRS being a billionaire

    American s need help doing taxes on their 45k a year jobs. You think they would know what they were looking at looking at when looking at billionaire's tax returns?

    It's a stupid subject. Most presidential candidates are career politicians. How much the governor of Arkansas, Texas, and an Illinois senator makes is already public information
     
    #75 pgabriel, May 9, 2018
    Last edited: May 9, 2018
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,875
    Likes Received:
    3,745

    What evangelicals defend Trump. I understand what everyone is saying but Trump doesn't run on morality and his supporters don't talk about morality
     
  17. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,199
    Likes Received:
    23,500
    Hummm... not sure about that.

    I doubt people that don’t claim to be on moral high ground would vote for a morally compromised candidate, but I might be wrong.
     
  18. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    65,454
    Likes Received:
    33,154
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...-trump-against-stormy-daniels-reports-n839496

    Evangelist Franklin Graham defends Trump against Stormy Daniels reports


    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/ev...aniels-extramarital-affairs-nobodys-business/

    Evangelist Franklin Graham defends Trump’s adultery with Stormy Daniels: Extramarital affairs are ‘nobody’s business’

    QUOTE:

    "Graham actually said Trump’s sex life is “nobody’s business.” His paying off a p*rn star is “nobody’s business.” His affair just months after his youngest son was born is “nobody’s business.”

    “I don’t have concern, in a sense, because these things happened many years ago – and there’s such bigger problems in front of us as a nation that we need to be dealing with than other things in his life a long time ago. I think some of these things – that’s for him and his wife to deal with,” Graham insisted.

    “I don’t defend those kinds of relationships he had. But the country knew the kind of person he was back then, and they still made the decision to make him the president of the United States,” Graham said, forgetting that 3 million more chose not to make his President.

    “I think when the country went after President Clinton, the Republicans, that was a great mistake that should never have happened.”

    Really?

    Because the Franklin Graham of 2018 sounds very different from the Franklin Graham of 1998.

    “Private conduct does have public consequences,” Graham wrote in a 1998 Wall Street Journal op-ed titled, “Clinton’s Sins Aren’t Private.”

    “Just look at how many have already been pulled under by the wake of the president’s sin: Mr. Clinton’s wife and daughter, Ms. Lewinsky, her parents, White House staff members, friends and supporters, public officials and an unwitting American public,” Graham wrote.

    Does this seem familiar?

    He continued, saying, “the God of the Bible says that what one does in private does matter. Mr. Clinton’s months-long extramarital sexual behavior in the Oval Office now concerns him and the rest of the world, not just his immediate family. If he will lie to or mislead his wife and daughter, those with whom he is most intimate, what will prevent him from doing the same to the American public?”"

    UNQUOTE


    Rocket River
     
    pgabriel likes this.
  19. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
     
    FranchiseBlade likes this.
  20. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,875
    Likes Received:
    3,745

    Franklin Graham said Republicans should have not gone after Clinton.

    Secondly what I'm saying is that he didn't run on morality. Republicans don't claim Trump is a moral leader. He has weighed in on one "moral" issue from what I remember. Transgenders in the military.
     

Share This Page