Selling the Morning After Pill Over the Counter-----

theres no way im reading 4 pages at the risk of repeating someones post..sorry.

when you blur the lines of when life starts other lines may eventually get crossed.

its legal to abort this baby now. then ten years later...its aborting the baby later... later on when we are fully down the spiral. that girl who had her baby in the dumpster....she's good to go...
i dont really see a difference..
even though, it seems anal, and would disalloy the morning after pill.....in cases concerning life, i dont see how it shouldnt be considered starting at conception
the mother decides whether its a life or not. if she dies getting murdered, two deaths charged. if she let some guy scrape out her insides with a stick. it was just a couple cells...

you guys should see really blown up enlarged pictures of aborted babies... its like a bomb went off in a nursery....

pro life....

 

NO
In My opinion
MEN SHOULD BE RESPONSIBILE FOR THE CHILDREN THEY CREATE
but
SO SHOULD WOMEN

I do not beleive in ABORTION . . PERIOD [their are exceptions]
POTENTIAL LIFE > INCONVIENCE
POTENTIAL LIFE < ACTUAL LIFE
POTENTIAL LIFE > 'QUALITY OF LIFE'

If Abortion were to fall
I'd be 1st in line for stricter laws on Men that create children
HOWEVER
it is hypocritical to jump down the throat of men that walk out on their child
as along as the law of the land says a woman can without Any Consequence
[Women can drop a child off at the fire station . .. sad this is a necessary evil ]

I think we are far to flippant and irresponsible with the lives we create in this country. Call me a conservative on this issue. . . . so be it. . . . .I don't see much room to haggle.

Abortion . . morning after pills . . .should be GONE
Dead beatism . .. . abuse . . .. SHOULD BE GONE

Rocket River

 

I think the question is simple then.
CAN YOU GET 'THE PILL' OVER THE COUNTER?
If not . .. then I don't think the MORNING AFTER PILL should be?

It is like saying you cannot get Vicadon over the counter. . but the SUPER VICADON .. . yeah that is ok



Rocket River

 

As I already pointed out, the morning after pill is a one-time usage medication. Therefore it would not require the long-term monitoring that birth control pills (which are taken daily, often for years at a time) can necessitate. So your correlation between the morning after pill/birth control pills (or the far more colorful Vicodin/"Super" Vicodin) is essentially incorrect.

 

Outside of rape cases, which are a miniscule minority of abortions, everyone who is pregnant chose to have sex. That is how you get pregnant. Of course they didn't want to be pregnant, that is why they go for the abortion, but they did make the choices that led up to the pregnancy.

I agree 100% that fathers should have just as much responsibility in regard to a child as mothers, but also just as many rights. It is not fair that fathers be held financially responsible when they are not allowed to be involved in the life of the baby, or now with abortions, in choosing to bring the baby to term. Even so, I think that it is critical that BOTH PARTIES take responsibility.

Many of the things you listed would be an issue whether the baby is aborted or brought to term. emotion distress, long-term guilt, depression, etc. are commonly exhibited by mothers who abort their babies as well as those who carry the baby to term. That is why the legality/illegality of abortion is not a healthcare issue. Very few pro-life people demand that the mother die to allow the baby to live, so complications are irrelevent to the discussion. What we are most concerned about is abortion on demand. I would have no problem with a ban on abortion with a caveat that abortions can be performed when the pregnancy significantly threatens the life of the mother.

I agree that free pre-natal/natal care should be made available. I am pretty sure that it is in fact available, at least here in CA. I don't know how things are done in other states though.

 

What other medical substance would you recommend taking several days worth of dosages at one time without a doctor's care and supervision? That is my only point.

 

You should really read something produced by the scientific world about drugs. You have some serious misconceptions about their effects and dangers.

Of course. We preach abstinance but we TEACH about sex and reproduction. My wife got a book called "Taking Charge of your Fertility" that she says should be required reading for every teenage girl, but it will never happen because it represents complete education about sex, reproduction, and contraception. Education can certainly emphasize abstinance, but to be effective it must include complete information about and access to contraception.

Pardon me for saying it, but you are extremely stupid if you truly think that teenage sex education would be taught by the drag queens from the Montrose.

Education is education. You get a youth that is aware of and focused on contraception as a trade off to reducing the levels of unwanted pregnancy and abortion. If you want to have societal impacts, you must have that impact on the youth. If we want to reduce levels of abortion, the biggest impact would be to educate children about pregnancy and how to avoid it.

It is obvious that the parents are doing a marginal job of educating their kids about sex. We should take the onus off of them and make sure that kids are properly educated.

16 and up would work for me, but I don't think that anyone under 18 can buy tobacco anywhere in the US anymore. I could be wrong, but I think that is the case.

If 16 year olds could get it, that would work for me. But that is the case for nearly every contraceptive. I believe a girl should be able to take the daily pill or buy the patch, too. But that is another thread.

 

bb

Please inform Drug Lord?
Since I'm obviously wrong about LSD induced flashbacks

no . . .we should TEACH ABSTINANCE
not preach it
TEACH IT . . . MAKE SURE KIDS KNOW IT IS THE FIRST SECOND
AND THIRD OPTION before reaching for the morning after pill

Pardon me but you are extremely uninformed to know that this was an actual event that happened.

so take ya sarcasm and . . .. . .

i personally feel that in sex ed
10% abistinance is taught
and 90% everything else
I would like at least 50% abstinance

It is like listening to the 70 generation talk about drugs
they say all about the dangers but then fall into a very
merry tangent about a wild and great time they had while high
but then try and str8en up and OH . . BUT DON'T DO DRUGS

We need to send the message FIRM LOUD and OFTEN
NO SEX
Sex Education should be like reading . . ..taught as information
it should be taught like u teach a child to drive
it should not be a LICENSE TO SEX IT UP

even though at this point i think a LICENSE to have sex would
be interesting . . . [a ONE TIME SHOT TYPE OF THING]
Pass a test on Sex Ed . .. . then you can go for broke
but u must be 16 Plus

Rocket River

 

I don't really get the big huff made about abortion. Those who aren't religious are generally pro-choice, because their morals allow for that kind of thing. The religious hate it, because their morals do not.

My question for the religious people is, why get so upset about it? Believe in God, believe that these people who choose to 'terminate the lives' of these children will be judged and dealt with accordingly. And that these children who are aborted pre-maturely get an early ticket to Heaven, and from what I hear, that's the place to be.

What's the problem, exactly?

Sounds like a win-win situation for everyone, unless you turn it into a slippery slope "the sky is falling" kind of argument.

 

Might as well not have any laws at all. Just let everyone do as they please and let God sort 'em out once everything is said and done. Some of us are actually interested in protecting the innocent. We see 100 posts in response to someone being killed while resisting arrest, but some of those same people have no problem with thousands of innocent babies being murdered.

 

On the one hand, if I could have an abortion, it would be an awfully hard decision. On the other hand, folks in the United States in particular seem to have trouble using birth control responsibly. Then on the other hand, some groups (Catholic Church officials) reject birth control as unnatural but their motive appears more of an attempt to increase constituents and make non marital sex unacceptable and use the rejection of birth control as a proxy for both of these agendas. If the choice is having irresponsible people be parents and having to let them raise kids or having abortions available, I would rather have abortions available. If people feel so strongly about abortions and they are not out there volunteering to adopt unwanted children to save them from abortions, why not? How about raising money to pay for health care of the mother and raising these kids if they don't feel like doing the adoption thing?

IIRC, abortion is only a controversial issue in other Western countries where Catholicism is a signficant percentage of the population, here we have a combination of Catholicism and the sex ethic of the Puritans from fundamentalists driving the issue.

 

People aren't torn about murder or rape. Abortion and birth control, there are significant portions of the population who are both for and against it.

And of course, you did just what I thought someone would do, apply one situation to everything and claim how we'd all go to hell in a handbasket because of one thing.

 

Yes, you are.

I would want to teach abstinance as the first couple of options, but the daily pill, patch, implants, and ESPECIALLY condoms should also be covered long before we get to the morning after pill. Teens should have COMPLETE information about ALL forms of contraception if we are to have a real impact on rates of pregnancy and abortion.

And you are extremely naive if you think that a single isolated incident would be representative of ALL sex education.

So take ya extremism and ...

When was the last time you took a sex ed. course or looked at the curriculum? It tends to be a 6 or 9 week subsection of a health course and also tends to be VERY slanted towards abstinance.

I personally would prefer the massage "don't do drugs until you are an adult." As it is MUCH more effective at getting kids to put off the decision. Parents should be able to tell their kids that they did drugs while in the same breath preaching sobriety during the formative years. I plan to tell my kids all about drugs and will do everything I can to get them to put off making the decision to use them until adulthood.

If you think the message kids get from the VAST majority of adults is anything but abstinance, you are living in a fantasy world. They already get that indoctrination, now we need to educate them about sex and reproduction.

License to buy birth control? That idea is so crazy it might work.

 

Great point.