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Stupid MLB players union...

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by yipengzhao, Dec 17, 2003.

  1. yipengzhao

    yipengzhao Member

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    It looks like the deal Manny for ARod is at a critical juncture, and the MLB players union disapproved the reorganization of ARod contract as proposed by the Red Sox.

    I mean jeez the Red Sox should just do whatever they can to not let this fall apart. They already have worked out a Nomar for Magglio. If both trades go through you're possibly looking at one of the nasties teams in the history of the game.
     
  2. flamingmoe

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    Bud Selig has also dictated that if a trade is not finalized by tomorrow, they are to call off the talks completely.
     
  3. drapg

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    If Nomar doesn't get traded, Bill Mueller (or was it Kevin Millar) has egg all over his face after his comments on "Sportscenter" last night.

    Not good.
     
  4. RocketsPimp

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    No doubt. He easily gets my ass-clown of the year award.
     
  5. Smokey

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    What did he say?
     
  6. Smokey

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    If Vanderjagt and Manning can patch things up, I'm sure Nomah and whoever can as well.
     
  7. mrpaige

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    I thought it was Tom O. Hicks who made that declaration.

    I don't know how the Commish could prevent two teams from continuing to make a trade during a time when trades are still legal under the CBA and MLB rules.
     
  8. drapg

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    He (Bill or Kevin) said that the Red Sox would be better off with A-Rod instead of Nomar and that he would prefer to have A-Rod over the combo of Nomar and Manny.

    Again, not good.
     
  9. mrpaige

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    I see in the AP article that both Tom O. Hicks and the Commish have set the deadline.

    But I still don't know how the Commish can prevent two teams from negotiating a trade during a time when trades can be done. I would certainly think that saying that A-Rod cannot be traded during a time when any other player can be traded would be frowned upon by the Player's Association, as well.
     
  10. flamingmoe

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    "Commissioner Bud Selig also had established a Thursday afternoon deadline for a deal or an end to the talks."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1688755

    I don't know how he has the right to do this either but there it is..
     
  11. mrpaige

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    Yeah, I saw that, that's why I posted again.

    I wonder what happens if all sides are talking tomorrow afternoon and were getting close to working out a deal if the Commish would follow through.

    I actually hope it comes to this so the Commish can be embarrassed once again, as I don't think the Player's Association is going to stand for the Commish claiming a player cannot be traded during open trade time.

    I don't understand the problem anyway with continuing talks. So what if it takes the whole trade season to get a deal done? What does it hurt?
     
  12. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    It was Kevin Millar that was on Sportscenter.

    The thing is that *supposedly* Nomar and Manny were the only Sox players that didn't "get into" Cowboy Up. The perception is that they only care about themselves and not the team (although ARod is no better).

    I don't think it will be a problem if Manny comes back to Boston because he is in his own little world, but Nomar is a different story.
     
  13. SmeggySmeg

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    i thought Miller's comment on sportscentre was something along the lines of "who wouldn't want the best player in baseball on their team"
     
  14. Nashvegas

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    weren't manny, nomar, and johnny damon the only guys who didn't shave their heads for the yankees?
     
  15. rocketfan83

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    Why does the media always say Arod is the best player in the game when Barry Bonds is still playing?

    As for the trade itself, I hope it dosent happen I want the Rangers to be screwed for the next whatever amount years that Arod has left on his contract.
     
  16. mrpaige

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    I don't think the Rangers would be screwed. It's not that they cannot afford A-Rod, it's that they have bad management who doesn't want to pay him anymore.

    But trading for Manny isn't going to give them that much salary relief anyway. Certainly not to the levels that the Rangers are cutting payroll (for reasons that likely have to do with Tom O. Hicks' other faltering businesses rather than the Rangers... or the Stars, who are also getting pressure to reduce salaries).

    The only person really screwed in the deal if the trade doesn't happen in A-Rod who was at least partially lured to Arlington on the promise that the team would at least attempt to compete year in and year out only to have Tom O. Hicks demand a huge payroll dump three years into his deal.

    I believe that A-Rod's wanting out has as much, if not more, to do with these trade talks than any attempt to save money.
     
  17. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    LMAO - I have just finished reading the latest posts on the "rumor" of Manny for ARod on the Sons of Sam Horn site and owner, John W Henry of the Red Sox posted a cryptic message.

    The message was something like (remembering this off the top of my head): "Astonishing end isn't it? This deal transcends all of baseball."

    And now there has been like 5 pages of analysis of that one post, lol.
     
  18. drapg

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    I got a call from a friend in the NE telling me that John Henry posted on that site about the trade.

    But I can't get to the site! It's down! I guess word travels fast
     
  19. drapg

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    Never mind. I finally got in and read his post, along with the oodles of replies.

    Deal dead?
     
  20. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Well, no one knows for sure since his message was so cryptic. I am guessing that it is as is most of the people on that site.
     

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