Max Kellerman says Harden is only elite in one category physically - Deceleration

Anyone taking Kellerman seriously at this point is lost on me.

James has one of the top first steps in the league, and that's what makes his elite deceleration so deadly.

 

Welcome back @FTW Rockets FTW

 

stats.nba.com is much better for that purpose.

 

Sigh, illogical. So he made this point


1) Harden's lack of success shows that he is not elite in athleticism. He may look amazing in the regular season but he hasn't been the same in the playoffs when the defense is locked down on him because Harden didn't have other "stuff".

Sigh ... Commentators should also be accountable for what they are saying like taking out a portion of their salaries for saying stupid stuff.

I am really tired of this line of arguments ... The "best" running mate Harden has had ... a declining Dwight Howard pretty much relegated to a bull collar players at that point of the career. Yes, that's all he had. He didn't have a Clay Thompson, Kevin Durant, not even a freaking Harrison Barnes alongside him. Them fancy boys Curry, Wes, KD did much worse than Harden. When the pressure was solely on those guys, they did worse than Harden. This year is different. Now James has helps across all levels. Let's see. Jordan took that next step for the Bulls only after Pippen joined. Dream needed Clyde. Let's see,

 

Hilarious, even he admits how much hate he seems to dish towards Harden on the show; and then comes back and say how much he loves Harden (but then proceeds with more backhanded compliments). The hate is real, like that of a scorned lover...

Even Kevin Durant admitted, it’s Hardens time. Give the man his props...

 

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that's not a knock on Harden, more like a compliment. Harden is not the most athletically gifted player in anyway, but he still gets it done and is MVP.

 

Is he wrong?

He's not the best jumper. He's not the fastest. He's not the fittest. He's not the quickest. He might be the strongest (guard). Physically speaking, James Harden is not even top 10. Yet he still dominates the league. Shows that there is so much more to being an elite player than just physical tools.

 

Moving without the ball! Lets get klay & reddick!

 

At this point does anyone really care what the man says? Espn is just like any other news outlet, paid to sell. Controversy sells. You can tell from the man's face he doesn't always believe what he is saying out of his mouth. He looks like he is trying to hold his laughter back because he knows just how rediculous he sounds. Hopefully Houston can shut these people up with a ring.

 

Elite in strength, change of direction, change of speed, he's as good as a 3ball shooter now as anyone else

 

Yall really need to watch the video. He didn't just say Harden is only elite in physicality, what he really said was that Harden was not an Elite basketball player that can succeed in the playoffs because he doesn't have the "other" stuff.

 

Can we stop making Max Kellerman threads? Every time this dude says something about the Rockets it shouldn't get a thread... he is an idiot.

 

OP Lost me at "Max Kellerman says"

 

Seriously, this needs to be a running thread, not 35 short-lived threads. I think at that point people might see how impotent their rage is, lol.

 

Co-signed,

Stephanie Curry -- the actual only "unanimous" MVP ever

So, Harden has one more elite physical skill than Curry. Did SAS even point that out to Kellerman? Refuse to click the vid.

 

Why do we care what he says again?

DD

 

Who cares

 

Name one of those bad moments, name one. Are you going to talk about 14 WCSF G5? That was a game full of BS calls against the Clippers, and the "turnover" by Paul at the end of the game was actually a foul by Reggie Jackson, that was one of the worst officiated NBA game I've ever seen, even worse than 2005 Rockets first round G5 where Michael Finely stepped out of bound and refs missed the call.



The above figure shows player clutch scoring performance in the playoffs starting from 1996 when this data became available till now. The definition of clutch time is less than 5 minutes in the 4th quarter or OT, with point difference smaller than 5 points. The x-axis is clutch points per 48 minutes, y-axis is clutch True Shooting Percentage, the size of the circle is total clutch points, only players with more than 50 total points are included. Try to locate where Paul and your beloved KD are in this figure. The fact is Paul is a much better clutch time or using your term "key moment" player than KD in the playoffs. Paul averages more points per 48 minutes, and shoots a much better percentage than KD. Besides, before joining the Rockets, Paul never had any MVP caliber teammates, but KD first had Westbrook and Harden, then joined a 73 win team with 3 all stars and a two time MVP winner. By the way, where Tmac and Horry locate on this figure is also very interesting.

Paul is one of the very few superstars in the history of NBA who has a better PER in the playoffs than in the regular season. Because the way PER is calculated, you need to compare a player to the league average, and in the playoffs, the league average is better than that in the regular season(only good teams can play in the playoffs), besides, stars draw special attention in the playoffs, so generally their PER will decline in the playoffs. This is true even for some of the absolute great ones, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Kareem, Wilt, to name a few. Paul on the other hand, joins Jordan, Lebron and Hakeem, to be the stars that perform even better in the playoffs, because they reserve their best in the regular seasons, and only show that when truly needed.

I would agree with your talent comments if you are comparing Paul to Jordan, or Lebron, or Hakeem, not to KD though. But you can't say a player's physical talent is a limitation for him just because he is worse than Jordan, Lebron or Hakeem, can you?

 

WE don't.
Brother.

WE don't.

THEY do.