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Square peg into a round hole?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by stevel, Dec 15, 2003.

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  1. wizkid83

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    Actually, the first two seasons, we had SA who ran the break very well.
     
  2. ricerocket

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    Of course SF would go to an East coast team. So we can be more of a east coast team in the wrong conference with this dinosaur east coach....

    Let's get Doc Rivers.... ;)
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Okay my bad,

    But have we ever had a good fast breaking team under Rudy T.
     
  4. ricerocket

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    Mr. Clutch believes we will be cured with a fast break. I think a total offense implentation would be better....
     
  5. aries323

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    Patience... It's alread December and we've got trade Steve, Yao is the man - Yao isn't the man, blah blah blah. These guys have potential. That is all they've showed me. Until they start playing smart TEAM basketball... that's all they'll have is potential.

    All I know is Yao isn't going anywhere. Business. Les knows how large the market for Yao is.

    Steve. His turnover to assist ratio is among the worst in the league. That is a problem. He needs to attack this problem with the intentions of freeing himself of selfish basketball. Since he has been labeled "Franchise" he's been expected to be the man. He needs to improve his TO / assist ratio, and the only way to do that is through time and repetition.
     
  6. Charvo

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    Rockets need a point guard that can shoot, but they have a shooting guard that can pass. There's a big difference between the two. The worse the talent is on the team, the more a team needs a point guard to be able put everything together on the court into a cohesive unit. It's too bad the Jazz have a surplus of good point guards, and the Rockets have no good point guards. A point guard like Raul Lopez would do wonders for this offense.
     
  7. Rocket River

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    YEA i remember that LETHAL
    NEW YORK FAST BREAK JVG had

    Rocket River
     
  8. Juugie

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    A quarter into the season and Raul Lopez in the next Jason Kidd. Realize that it is Sloan's coaching and system that is making them successful. Lopez isn't even their starting point guard. And the guy they brought in when Lopez went down put up the same numbers.
     
  9. ricerocket

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    Another plug for JVG as the new coach of the year, at least Offensive (not as in scoring) coach of the year. Now we know why he was the Rockets third or fourth choice, and a bad one at that... :rolleyes:
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    Is everyone here nuts? I am saying it's up to the players, not the coach. So the fact that his NYK team sucked at fast breaking is a crappy argument.
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    No, I don't think fast breaks will cure our team, though it will help. Our current roster will never be a good fast breaking team. The players just need to execute better.
     
  12. Sane

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    We need a PG who will push the ball on the fast break, and knows how to run a textbook fastbreak. We also need Posey back.

    I'm beginning to think maybe he's worth more than JJ, AG and Pike put together. His numbers have improved since last year, and we all know that he improved our fastbreak tremendously when on the floor.
     
  13. whats up

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    Just make the round hole bigger or make the square peg smaller.
     
  14. Charvo

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    We really need a point guard that can run a half court offense. A clone of John Stockton would do well, but any point guard with excellent passing skills and decent shooting ability will do.
     
  15. dfoolz

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    Yao may not be ready to be the 1 guy, but you can still use him! Yao can pass and has good vision of the court. They should have guys cut for him so we can take advantage of his passing skills. He doesnt have to score to be a big part of the offense. Francis and Mobley are damn quick and they could cause alot of trouble for other team.
     
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    Who is passing to who in the Utah system and they don't have anyone with near SF's or Cat's athletic ability. They put on a clinic for long stretches in both games so far this year. Making the Rockets offensive ineptiude look all the worse. It's the system that wins in the NBA, not just the talent.

    And yes it was and is ridiculous and it is time for it to stop!.
     
  17. Charvo

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    I think Jerry Sloan should have signed a contract with a big city team. He's wasting his talents in Salt Lake City. If I had the choice of Sloan, Van Gundy, or Brown, I'd pick Jerry Sloan for the coach. The Rockets still need a passing point guard. The Jazz's system only works with point guards who are actually point guards and not this combo guard mumbo jumbo. Raul Lopez was a point guard before he came to the Jazz. John Stockton was a point guard before he came to the Jazz. He played at Gonzaga. I don't want a shooting guard in college coming to the Rockets wanting to play point guard. That's like asking a wide receiver to go play quarterback.
     
  18. egn

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    Your own quote proves what you've been trying to preach as wrong. You blame the coach saying that it's JVG system that is holding our players back. But for the life of me I can't remember the last time JVG was pulling the rebound down and heading into transition.

    You mention Posey here in the above quote, and it is true he ran the break, but for the most part he was the only one running the break!! Posey used his speed to get out on the wing, where in which Francis (or whomever) made his outlet pass early after getting his rebound. Francis almost never ran the break. And when he ran it with Posey he didn't run it effectively. And I would say that many of these outlet passes were "home run" type throws.

    But let me get back to my point in that your comments directly negate what you've been trying to say. If indeed it is the coach that is preventing the fast break and not the players, then why did we not run the break before we traded for Posey (considering what you call what we did after the trade a fast break)??

    Let me guess, you will respond with: Rudy all of the sudden, during the middle of the season, decided that "Hey, I am going to run the break!" Please, spare me your answer. I don't need to hear you pull you foot out of you mouth and try to give me some half-ass response. You have none! Your comments have shown me your utter lack of basketball knowledge.
     
  19. ricerocket

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    What was the question? Looks like you answered youself....

    :rolleyes:
     
  20. subtomic

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    Read more closely. EGN correctly observed that Posey was the only one who ran. Because he was such a gazelle, Francis was able to throw "Hail Mary" type passes (usually alley-oop passes from the half-court line) and have some modicum of success (again, due to Posey's athleticism and speed). However, this really doesn't count as a fast break and furthermore, the Rockets were able to do this at most once a game.

    The reality now is that we don't have any player like that. So the fast break should rely on 2 or three guys running down the court and (here's the key) making smart passes in order to get the easy bucket. Itis the job of the point guard to correctly direct this kind of fast break.

    The problem is that Francis is an abysmal passer when running. I mean truly awful. I have seen him blow at least 10-12 easy buckets this season when faced with a 2-1 or 3-1 because he either made a bad pass or worse, ran into the lone defender and got called for charge. To argue that this is JVG's fault is BS.

    Francis simply lacks the court vision to be an adequate point guard. He'll have his moments when he seems to have control. But when the pressure is on (as it would be in the playoffs), Francis reverts to half-court, dribble until the ball is deflated-offense. And I don't think this will ever change.
     

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