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Where were we 1 year ago

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by yipengzhao, Dec 14, 2003.

  1. yipengzhao

    yipengzhao Member

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    I looked up the schedule from last year, and one year ago after 22 games, we were also exactly 13-9 riding a short losing streak.

    So far Yao has taking baby steps forward, but Steve has taken a step back. The defense has definitely taken a step forward, but the offense has taken a step back.

    I was convinced that we had improved and that this wave of pessimism on the board was unjustified. However, if you look at the only numbers that matter the W's and the L's, there's not that big a change.

    However, I do believe that defense takes over down the stretch and we will still make the playoffs. There's been roster changes: Kenny, TMo, Eddie, and Rice are gone, and been replaced by JJ, Pike, and Padgett. But I mean our roster is not significantly better. I think that ultimately this is a player's league and while I expect JVG to take us to the playoffs, I don't expect any miracles Rudy couldn't perform. I mean every chef is limited by their ingredients right? You can't make filet mignon out of hamburger meat...
     
  2. Charvo

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    You're right. You can't make a cake if you don't have flour. A passing point guard that can players involved in the offense like the Jazz is the flour that gives the cake its fullness.
     
  3. WNBA

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    The roster is worse. They still had hope in Eddie and Yao last year.
     
  4. Charvo

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    It's a good thing Eddie showed his true colors now. Having CD reward his inconsistent play with a big contract aka Maurice Taylor would have been worst. At least the Rockets aren't committed to a long-term deal. Yao is making around $4 million. He's got 2 more years to prove he can be worthy of a max contract. Steve got his max contract and then proceeded to go into the tank. This is the NBA with a salary cap. Guys who make max money but can't deliver at least a playoff berth are almost worthless. Look at Eddie Jones. Warriors dumped Jamison before he could become a Brian Grant. Warriors wised up. They had that stiff for 5 years, and he couldn't cut it. He was making max money. They dealt him as fast as they could for anything.
     
  5. TECH

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    More like the offense taking a triple jump back.
     
  6. yaopao

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    Who cares about hope? EG didn't produce anything at all a year ago. And probably never will.
     
  7. Uprising

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    Where are we? Obviously no farther than we were last season, except now our division is a monster.
     
  8. ZRB

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    Guess where they were three years ago. 13-9.

    Take out the 28-54 injury-plagued season, and the Rockets have been the same team since 2000.

    This team is hopeless.
     
  9. Houkom

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    Have a look at our player efficiency:

    Where we are now:

    PLAYER Total
    Yao Ming 0,58
    Alton Ford 0,46
    Kelvin Cato 0,42
    Scott Padgett 0,42
    Steve Francis 0,41
    Cuttino Mobley 0,40
    Maurice Taylor 0,39
    Torraye Braggs 0,37
    Mike Wilks 0,31
    Jim Jackson 0,29
    Bostjan Nachbar 0,28
    Eric Piatkowski 0,24
    Moochie Norris 0,24
    Grand Total 0,39
     
  10. DrNuegebauer

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    That's bad! As the eternal optimist I've been convincing myself that as long as we're winning everything is going ok - but you've just shattered that!!

    I think the next couple of game are really big now - if we win our away back to back against Minesota and Cleveland things look a LOT better - two losses there is 13-11 and trouble!

    The good news is that if we replicate last year except for the end period where 'Mr Mean' took over for Rudy then we should still make the playoffs!
     
  11. Houkom

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    posted too early:
    Numbers are for EFF per min
    (PTS+BLK+STL+AST+TOT)-((FTA-'FTM-A')+(FGA-FGM)+TO))/min

    Where we were last year:

    PLAYER Total
    Yao Ming 0,61
    Kelvin Cato 0,53
    Steve Francis 0,52
    Jason Collier 0,46
    Eddie Griffin 0,45
    James Posey 0,41
    Terence Morris 0,37
    Cuttino Mobley 0,37
    Tito Maddox 0,34
    Maurice Taylor 0,34
    Moochie Norris 0,33
    Glen Rice 0,30
    Juaquin Hawkins 0,24
    Bostjan Nachbar 0,21
    Grand Total 0,43

    and just for the blues, where we were in 1995 (incredible Olajuwon and team!):

    PLAYER Total
    Hakeem Olajuwon 0,80
    Clyde Drexler 0,65
    Sam Cassell 0,51
    Otis Thorpe 0,50
    Scott Brooks 0,50
    Kenny Smith 0,47
    Chuckie Brown 0,46
    Zan Tabak 0,45
    Robert Horry 0,44
    Mario Elie 0,42
    Pete Chilcutt 0,41
    Carl Herrera 0,41
    Vernon Maxwell 0,36
    Tracy Murray 0,29
    Tim Breaux 0,24
    Adrian Caldwell 0,22
    Charles Jones 0,22
    Grand Total 0,50

    But here is the catch, here is where our opponents are now and were last year (EFF/G):

    2002-2003 2003-2004
    101,80 88,43


    That is where the big JVG improvements is, and it actually outweights the francis slump and overall team decline
     
  12. New Jack

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    I don't know about that. The west is a whole lot tougher this season. It's going to take more than last seasons record to get in.
     
  13. Shooter1583

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    i never realized we were at the same record as last year...:( ...but we do also have a new coach and system, and i still believe a lot of the teams in the West will fall and show their true colors (Utah, Denver, Portland)...I believe we will be better than them, and that we're one good trade away from contending for home-court playoff advantage....
     
  14. robbarnett

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    I hope we arent showing our true colours right now
     
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    You also have to remember Steve was going off for 30 a game at this point last year. The rockets would of been better off last year letting him do that the whole season instead of passing more.
     
  16. Dennis2112

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    All in all I feel we are bit ahead compared to last year.

    New Coach
    New system ( offensively and defensively)
    multiple roster changes
    Same record at this point last
    Still winning without Steve having to score 30 per game

    Granted, I expect better things from the Rockets but they are doing well all thing considered.


    They should get better on offense and defense.
    They should start developing better chemistry as they together more


    I have not had my socks knocked off but I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

    Although , if some of the players don't come around by midseason, there may very well be a trade.
     
  17. A-Train

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    I don't see the Rockets doing anything with the current roster.

    It doesn't look good for the future, either. If the Rockets trade Steve and/or Cat in the offseason, there's no guarantee that Yao can carry the team, which might cause even more losses, causing Yao to sign with a contender, which means we might be in the lottery for five or six more seasons. We could be the Clippers of the 21st century. :(
     
  18. yipengzhao

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    Oh my god dude... cheer up.

    You see how the New England Patriots have won 10 games in a row with not that much talent? It's chemistry. What if some randomly develops?

    Plus if we ever trade steve or cat, we'd get something back right? What if those peices carry us to a dynasty?

    Could happen. Don't give up just yet.
     
  19. TheFreak

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    They should end up better because they don't have to worry about integrating Ming into the offense. That was a problem as the year went on last year - determining what he could and could not do, how much to use him, etc. Also they probably won't lose their coach again this year going down the stretch, or have to worry about Ming falling apart again.
     
  20. ricerocket

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    Now that JVG has done the only two things he is capable of: 1) teach them and convince them to play defense, and 2) totally destroy any west offense in favor of boring east style ball (see #1) Let's go back to the future and hire a real coach... :mad:
     

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