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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by daaum, Dec 13, 2003.

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  1. daaum

    daaum Member

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    steve franis/cato/1 round draft pick
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    steve nash/antowan jamison

    its trade both team....dallas need center so we give them center and we need sf and replace pg
     
  2. codell

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    This trade doesn't make Dallas a better team, so why would they do it??
     
  3. GATER

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    And Mark Cuban prefers Francis to Nash because of....

    * ability to distribute the ball to a bunch of shooters?
    * Francis's excellent Assist to TO ratio?
    * Francis's ability to run a fastbreak and get Dallas into an early offense?
    * Francis superior FG%.


    Please explain Dallas' attraction and why we need to pay Jamison $67m over the next 5 seasons.
     
  4. arno_ed

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    there is no way the mavs would do this trade. But is is always fun to see a trade were stevie isn't traded for a bench player.
     
  5. daaum

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    it does make dallas better team at center spot...because cato is way better then danny fortson.........at center they get better and at pg we get better ......and paying 67 mi....is better then steve contract........so i think if we just add some throw ins then we may be able to get this trade.....then we really become better and dallas become bette.........
     
  6. silentfan

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    No team would pass up Steve Nash for Steve Francis. Sorry, please put down the pipe.....
     
  7. stevel

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    I find it funny how little some people think of SF's trade value. His career averages of soemthing like 18ppg 5apg 5or6rpg have only been matched by 5 other players in the history of the game for the first 5 years of their carrerrs, and all are in or headed to the hall of fame. I am not saying SF is headed for the hall, only that his stats are impressive.

    SF while not a terrific PG is a very good player, he is simply struggling to find his place on our team. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be a monster on some other team. I think that one of the reasons he is a poor PG for us is that he is one of our better players. I think he thinks why should I pass up a shot for Cato, MoT, JJ, Pike etc... to get one when I am a better scorer. I think this comes from a lack of understanding what makes a team better. He certainly wouldn't have this problem with the Mavs.

    Additionally, Dallas isn't going to beat LAL of SA with out some type of interior D, and 6'7" Fortson isn't the answer. AJ has also been quoted as saying that he is unhappy with his playing time up there. AJ is a good rebounder and would be nice compliment ot Yao, as he make you pay for doubling.

    Additionally, the league has already seen a similar swap of PGs several years ago with Kidd (the better traditional PG) for Marbury(the supposed new style PG). I think a swap of SF for Nash is very similar to this deal. Plus, I think with this proposed swap it make Dallas match up better with LAL and SA. SF and Finley could go blow for blow with an aging GP and KB. Cato is there to help with the D on Shaq and rebound. Would this deal happen realistically - I don't know, but I have thought about it before and I think it may help both teams. Plus, Nash is in his contract year and there are rumors he may want to leave Dallas for Toronto, perhaps Dallas does this as a pre-emtive strike.

    My whole point in this long winded post is that SF has better trade value than alot of people he give him credit. Cato has also done enough to get some teams interested this season, of that I am sure.
     
  8. aries323

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    How about Steve Francis for Ginobili? :rolleyes:
     
  9. arno_ed

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    Nice aries323 very funny.:D
    i think steve is a great player, and i do not know if i would trade steve for Nash straight up. i like both players alot. But i think jamison for cato is to lopsidded. Jamison is a great player. And cato is a hard working(this year) player. Cato is a very bad offensive player. Jamison is a great offensive player. Jamison could be an all star if he plays with the right team. cato will never be an allstar. so i think Dallas would not do thisd not because of the steve for nash part but because it hink jamison is alot better then Cato
     
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    In a heart beat! Ginoboli is probably as good as player as Kobe. He owns Kobe.
     
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    you should add the :rolleyes: because otherwise people will think you mean those things you say. there are people who do think ginobili is that great
     
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    Manu is explosive. He's probably the best perimeter defender in the west and he can be a scorer if he's given the command to score.
     
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    so you did mean it???? you think manu is better then steve and Bryant?? i mean he is a nice player. but the spurs would trade him in a heartbeat for steve or bryant.
     
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    Put in this way. The Spurs couldn't have won the championship without Ginoboli. That's how important he is to the team. He's like a smaller version of AK47. Would you trade SF for AK47?
     
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    the reason y jamison is in it cause steve....because if u were to trade steve for nash straight then yea but we also trying to get small forward who is all-star...so tht y i added cato because they need canter.....

    and if this was to go down then we would be thret in west......like la,minnisota,and others
     
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    Please ask Jim Jackson if he likes Steve's ability to pass more than Bibby's ability to pass. It sure looks like Jim Jackson is bricking it way more than he did last year with the Kings. He was actually a good player last year with the Kings. He's at best an average player with the Rockets. Finley and Nowitzki would lobby to keep Nash. I think Cuban would trade Jamison for Cato in a second, but Nash for Francis is a different story. Good passing makes average players good players. Look at Brad Miller. He's playing close to MVP level. He didn't look like that with the Pacers.
     
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    Did you see watch Ginobli last year in the playoffs? The guy was the 2nd best player on the Spurs. Even Barkley who is very critical of players today gave him a lot of credit. Ginobli is in a contract year that pays him $1.5 million. I'm pretty sure he will demand a max contract. Maybe he gets it. If he ends up making Steve Francis money, his trade value may be roughly around Steve's. His trade value now is way higher than Steve's due to the contracts. Do you know what is going on with the Heat? Eddie Jones is being shopped around like meat in a butcher store. Noone is biting because of the max contract he has. Is Steve the Rocket's version of Eddie Jones? Heat hasn't been the playoffs in a long time. Rockets are on the verge of not making the playoffs for 5 straight years.
     
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    What I find so amazing is the short-sghtedness of some folks around here.

    Look at the other teams over the years that went into rebuiding phase. How long did most of those teams take to get back to the playoffs?

    We keep hearing about how the Rockets havent been in the playoffs for 4 years...

    I would wager that there are only a few teams over the years that went from being a contender every year, and then losing the players from that era..to getting back into contention quickly.
     
  19. Charvo

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    Over half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs. Not every team that makes the playoffs is a contender. However, the Rockets making the playoffs versus staying at home five straight years waiting for the lottery is a big difference for the fans. This is a pivotal year for the Rockets franchise. They should burn down the roster if this 5 year experiment hasn't yielded any fruit with a playoff berth this season.
     
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    No way. Francis is way better...
     

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