Movie would’ve been infinitely better if it was about two hours longer, less action and mainly dialogue, and if about 98% of the characters were Gungan.
I wonder if all of these negative reviews would be different if people knew Snoke wasn’t really dead. On my second viewing, I can almost guarantee he’ll be around in some capacity for episode IX
So initially I had mixed feelings about it. Seeing it a second time made me fall in love with the film. Knowing what to expect and being able to better embrace Rian Johnson's vision helped immensely. And it all makes perfect sense now, the characters, the story, everything. I definitely feel this is gonna be a film that will age well. Doesn't mean the film itself is perfect. Still some awkward moments and times where the dialogue fell flat. But wow, what a difference a second viewing makes.
Exactly. I feel like this movie is going to go the exact opposite direction of TFA. Like that nostalgia link posted above, all of the fans LOVED that movie when it came out because it brought back all of those feelings of a new Star Wars coming out. It felt familiar to us... but the more people watched it, the more they realized it is a rehash of the original movie. It lost its greatness (although I still really like that movie too) because of this. This one is the opposite. People are shocked by how different it feels. It's not the same old movie. I truly believe that when it is all said and done, this one will be right up there near the top of the Star Wars lists.
Watched it for a 2nd time yesterday. Enjoyed it even more than the first time. Also I just have to say that while I get some criticisms, I don't see how anyone can disagree with Luke's portrayal. It's great. (And yes I know what Hamill said.)
Nothing is perfect, but I can live with it. Would be interesting to watch Luke the way Mark Hamill would have directed it.
I don't see how anyone is ok with Luke going from the the guy who redeemed a Sith Lord who was responsible for the deaths of millions including his family, to igniting his light saber to kill his nephew in his sleep because his nephew had darkness in him. The movie was filled with lots of twists for the sake of having a surprise, regardless of how much sense the twist made. It ignored everything that came before it and didn't really set up anything interesting going forward. If it was a stand alone movie in a new franchise it would have been fine, but it's not. We are left with Rey vs Kylo and the resistance vs the First Order, which is the same spot we were at before this movie. The death of Snoke was more substantial than the death of Luke to their sides success, considering one was leading his faction and the other was actively avoiding getting involved. The rebels were already comically undermanned with their 400 members at the start of the movie, so losing a few more doesn't seem to matter to the main heroes success. Kylo's already been defeated by Rey once. Maybe they should have Yoda come back and kill Kylo and Rey and become a sith lord ghost who rules the galaxy, cause you know that would be a surprise twist that nobody saw coming.
Mark Hamill should have made them re-write his character in the film if he didn't like it. Or, threaten to walk! He's weak. He's definitely not a Jedi. Hell...he did what for 30 years on that tiny island? It must have been miserable. It's not exactly what I want to hear going in when the actor playing Luke says that isn't Luke. It's bad press. I have not seen the film so don't mind me.
Star Wars fans "Leia using the force to slowly pull herself towards her ship while floating in space is ridiculous" Also Star Wars fans "I loved the scene where Yoda used the force to pick up a submerged X-wing Starfighter and float it through the air till it was back on land in The Empire Strikes Back"
So Star Wars fans know more astrobiology than astrophysics, yeah. I've seen the clip, and it was garbage. maybe the movie overall is worthwhile though. The mixed reviews, even in this thread, are pretty bewildering, TBH.
I'd agree that it wasn't executed well because she did look kind of stupid while doing so, but the idea of someone using the force to pull themselves in the direction of a ship while floating in space is probably the least ridiculous use of the force in Star Wars history. It takes almost nothing to move in space. If a rookie Jedi can move untold thousands of pounds worth of rocks on earth, slightly nudging yourself in a particular direction towards an object in space shouldn't be that big of a deal.
The events of TFA happen mere days before the end of TLJ. So Rey goes from seeing Kylo murder Han..fighting him in the snow...calling him a monster...to some forced intimacy where it looks like Luke walks in on them playing doctor...in a matter of a few days. That's horrible writing. Horrible storytelling. Zero context. So lazy. As if each scene is completely independent of the one before it. I can not imagine reading that script and thinking, "wow...yes! Let's go with that!"
How does the force make you survive being blasted out of a ship, sucked out and not being able to breathe in space? Was she holding her breathe for what appeared to be 5 minutes? Then realizing you're SOL so you force pull yourself back to the perfect ship entry door and wait until said door gets pried open by someone inside who had no space suit on or did she continue holding her breathe for another 10 minutes while they put their suit on? Impossible... no matter how forceful one may be.
TLJ is a GREAT EXAMPLE about the age old issue of what matters most in the end: The "FAN VOICE" or the CRITICAL Director Vision? No, can NOT have fans totally dictate plot of a movie, thats alway a slopfest. Have to give producers creative space. They have a lot of egos, budgets, equipment and stories to manage before even getting to the fans. Let them do their work. Though when its just EVIDENT that the collective fans are straight TELLING you what makes it ALL Time EPIC for the AGES and they will annoint you their KING - Or simply, they'll give top-to-bottom endearing praise of your work. But they're just HANDING EPIC to you - isnt that basically the most DESIRABLE outcome for ANY actual DIRECTOR and any actual film? lol I GET that fan service is just cheap appeal and low form story making. But I dont fully understand the whole Exception-to-Expectations "You think I'M just gonna deliver, what "YOU" want .... ?? NOT ME bruh! I mean I "coouuld" but .... Sheeiiiit nah f**k it - Luke Skywalker gonna sit his a** in a cave the whole time thru LOL, better ask somebody ELSE, I gotta keep my critical CRED!" Screw the studios, screw the corporations, screw the extended universe, all that ASIDE- Who actually has the better spirit of the actual story then? AND who is more thoughtful of the ACTORS in it too? Are people supposed to pretend actual Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill presense and circumstances doesnt matter?
Nevermind that her eyeballs would have exploded into the vacuum and her blood would have raced to see if it could freeze before boiling off through her skin into space. Sad! But yeah, holding your breath against a pure vacuum isn't really an option either no matter how much force you clamp on your lips, the air would be up and out through your ear holes in no time. Just stupid in a way that force telekinesis is not. Leia was using the force to violate lots of physics, biology and chemistry simultaneously. LOL
The same way the force protected Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi from the poison gas in one of the prequels....also there's plenty of examples of similar powers (and even the exact same) in non movie Star Wars lore. I also find it hilarious that you say "impossible" as if literally any force power is possible. Picking up a starship? NBD. Shooting lightning from your fingertips? NBD. Mind control? NBD. Telekinesis? NBD. Casting an astral projection of yourself that can interact with the outside world halfway across a galaxy? NBD. Becoming a force ghost after death? NBD. WAIT A MINUTE, FORCE BREATH CONTROL?!?!?!?! IMPOSSIBLE!!! Maybe I'm alone in thinking that drawing the line there is laughably ridiculous.
Am I the only one that thought Luke was a whinny little emo loser in the OT while Han actually had the right approach/temperment? Luke was born with natural talents, the only reason he got as far as he did. But he seriously under achieved vs, he could be doing. Did, you at any point felt that Luke would/could be a great leader? Nope, that was Leia. I felt this Luke was consistent with his character.
