JVG vs Larry Brown

lets see, LB is awsome in x's and o's, but JVG is HORRIBLE at them. He doesnt know crap on how to break down a zone...

points to LB

 

No, it will be a players' battle, like every game in the NBA is. It's a players league.

 

Come on, you mean to tell me that JVG doesn't know how to break down a zone?

It's pretty basic and I would think that any head coach in the NBA knows this.

Now getting your players to do it is another story.

 

I don't know about the better coach. I can tell you that I like JVG way more than I like Larry Brown. I'm very relieved that Houston did not get Brown. Initially was in favor of getting Larry here, but in the end, I'd rather take a chance on somebody who'd stick around, and isn't an NBA vagabond.

 

I thought the same way I really wanted to get LB but I think the Rockets made the right decision picking JVG.

We need someone to be here for more than 3 years and there is no doubting his passion for the game.

 

I would have prefered Brown... Overall, his tenure with various clubs is probably not that bad by overall comparisson to other NBA coaches. However, the "vagabond coach" label is legit. Has he even ever been fired? Not sure, but don't think so.... he tends to move on - always one step ahead of leading a team on the down swing.

That said, I'd much prefer Browns hard nose approach to JVG's... I admire JVG, but the 'bully east' thing will never work here and I question his ability to guide this team thru the Western conference with any prolonged success..... I just think Brown would get the same desired discipline as Van Gundy while coaching and better taking advantage of the Rockets talents.

 

I definitely prefer Jeff Van Gundy over Larry Brown. I never bought the Larry Brown hype, he did a good job with Indiana, but never got them to the Finals. He got to the Finals with Philadelphia, that's it. He's 14-7 with Detroit in the East, JVG is 12-7 with the Rockets in the East. Plus Larry Brown is moody and untrustworthy, he always wears out his welcome. He wore out his welcome in Indiana (players got sick of him and he said he knew that and moved on), he got burned out in Philadelphia, and the same thing would have happened in Houston, and will happen in Detroit.

Points to Jeff Van Gundy, who just got done whipping up on Larry Brown. I guess points to JVG since Larry Brown never figured out the Rockets offense. I guess ol' JVG isn't so bad afterall is he?

 

You know what would convince me Van Gundy is a better coach than Brown? If he said to his players before the game, "This is the coach who thought you weren't good enough to be his team. Now go show him what you're made of."

 

Maybe he did that! I like the fact we held them to 40% shooting (w/ Hamilton and Billups) and outrebounded them 33-29 while shooting 46% as a team. look at who really made the O difference - Cato (6-6) and MoT. That is where we are starting to force the other team to spread ot the defense to MoT or not sag off Cato. It doesn't hurt that JJ came out and hiot a few right away to make them respect the 3, and then Pike can back that up while JJ rests. I don't think it was JVG over Brown so much from a coaching / stategy point as much as we are more talented and a better East Coast team...

 

I was especially happy for the Rockets to hand Larry Brown this defeat.

The way he handled his switch of jobs last season just stunk. Detroit fired their coach after the Eastern Confrence finals without knowing that LB would be theirs for the taking? I don't have any hard proof, but I don't believe it. Detroit then made bogus claims which smeared Carlisle's reputation. It was only later that we found out about that.

Larry Brown used Houston, and did a deal with the Pistons who treated their former employee in a desgraceful manner. There may not have even been anything against the rules about what happened, but that kind of behavior and those kinds of actions aren't what I want around my basketball team.

I'm not even against using one team as leverage against another to drive up the salary offers, but what happened this past off season goes beyond that.

In the end I couldn't be more happy that we didn't get LB and that we beat his team on the floor tonight.

 

Points well taken; just don't forget that JVG bailed on the Knicks. Not sure, but that one abandonment mid-season makes the Brown comparisson ironical, no?

I think both are good, just prefer Brown.

 

Well, JVG only did once, but Brown is a life time quitter!

According to the Chronicle, the Rockets interviewd Mike Dunleavy and JVG on Monday, L. Brown on Tuesday, Paul Silas on Friday. The Rockets wouldn't make any hiring decision until they complete the interview of Silas on Friday, but Brown got a call from the Pistons on Friday, rest was history.

Brown did say that Mobley and Francis called him after the interview.


--daoshi

 

Agreed he did do that. And if he does that again, I'd have a very negative opinion of him. But when it comes to the way the two men handled their negotians during this past off-season it's night and day.

 

So then you must think Rick Carlisle is a hell of a lot better than Rudy, since last year Detroit was very good and the Rockets couldn't make the playoffs.

 

What does last year not making the playoffs have to do with JVG's style of East Coast Rockets?

I don't think Brown was at fault with the Rockets like you all think. The Rocks wanted Silas, scheduled him last, never called Brown, he took Detroit after no contact, and in fact Silas went to Cleveland first too. Then the Rocks were LEFT deciding between MD and JVG by their own device. You can't blame Brown for going to a team he was very familiar with and a GM and owner he already knew real well. Ditto Silas walking into Janes and Davis with IL at center and owners obviously willing to try to build quickly.

 

The thing is that the Rockets did call Brown. That was a quote from Brown earlier. The Rockets have said that they did call Brown, and I think eventually Brown even said they called him on Sunday.

I do blame Brown, and think that anything he else he says to the effect that the Rockets didn't want him is his own rationalizing, the low down moves he made, or him trying to make it seem to the public like it wasn't so shady to begin with.

There were folks on these boards who usually have an inside tip on these things and they all said the Rockets wanted Brown. The Rockets contacted Larry Brown less than 24 hours after he left Philly. Also I don't believe Detroit let's go of Carlisle unless they were sure they could get Brown. The whole thing smells like a rat, and that rat is Larry Brown.