[HoopsHype] The Rockets have the best offense in the NBA with healthy Chris Paul

This whole crap about who was our opponent is bull.. We saw the lakers who we will destroy tomorrow, almost beat the warriors, the suns and cavs barely won at home against joke of suns and grizzles, who we have destroyed.. We cant control our schedule, I know we are destroying teams we are supposed to beat, but other good teams aren't doing this.. and its not easy to go in dominate NBA teams game and after game, the pressure builds up to perform at such a high rate, yet we are doing it.. this is something damn special, we need to enjoy it.

 

Being a contrarian is just that. It has little to do with what is or isn't real.

 

Can we ban these attention whores? Anyone actually think their tired 10-year old forum schtick is even slightly-amusing?

 

Yeah this guy blows.

 

very nice, but small sample size of 6

6 more games of this and ....

 

sample size is always small

let me explain
suppose we win championship ok?

does it mean well win the next one ? nope

its always a new world EVERY DAY WORLD STARTS ANEW
and today rockets are nba champions...LEGIT

 

16 wins to get there buddy

 

Looks like the Chris Paul experiment worked. Can't believe people on this board were questioning this trade when it was made.

 

He just became the first person I've put on ignore in years and I've never even interacted with him. I can't tell if he's a troll or just a genuinely miserable and terrible human being, but either way I'm done reading his trash posts.

 

You’re really listing Toronto as a team that’s not expected to make the playoffs?

 

In conclusion, let's go over the facts;

1) We've had the 2nd weakest SOS. I can break this down VERY HARD if you prompt me to.
2) We've had 14 non-playoff caliber opponent worthy games(of 21). So, 66.7% of our games are sub-par competition.
3) Three of the other top 5 teams have had MULTIPLE injuries DURING this span.
4) Sample size(with Paul) and overall season(21 games in) are not a good test(25% of the season).
5) IDK even know WTF are the top offensive teams(I know we're trying to stick to just Top O teams), but apply this logic to them, too.

Do you see WHY I'm saying this is bullshit to say we're #1 and record-setting? Do you not see any variables in what I put out there that would skew us?

Do you get why blanketed projections/rankings/stats are extremely vague(yes, even PT Diff is)?

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This will be fun...

Let me first say I am impressed with the quality of the wording you used as well as your logic behind all of your arguments. I truly only thought you read clutchfans when on the pot at work, I've read it on more then 1 occasion. I will work based on the conclusion, because if I was brought this conclusion in a professional setting, it would most likely be the last conclusion you came to for our organization.

1) Yes, I agree with and said that the Rockets had the 2nd weakest SOS in the league. Can I ask, have you ever developed or read a analytical cube matrix? Let me give you an example of what that does, because I addressed the argument of SOS and I believe you just don't get it. Lets give all the team's a letter value representing them. In no order but all holds the same value for this matrix for the entirety of the testing. I'm not going to even get into the mechanics of the matrix but know that EVERY stat holds a value, like how rebounds count for 1.2 pts, assist 1.5, pts scored etc. in fantasy games to put it in layman's terms. Lets say "team A" beats "team B" well those values get added in. Then "Team A" plays "Team X" those values get added in and so on. Im sure I don't need to keep going to show "team B" playing "team X" and etc, but know that there is a total score at the end of each game as well to help compare wins. SO as teams keep playing each other, there are scores to each win/lose values given for each stat category. So again while your looking at Only SOS, I'm looking at the quality of wins compared everyone else playing everyone else with real values given. Their RSOS still gives them a probability to get the best record in the league...like I said before GSW is #1 at beating bad teams and we are # 2. With your argument since Dallas had 2nd toughest schedule, their record should turn around and they should make the playoffs since they end with the easiest? Ill answer that, No they are bad and the number speak to that and you don't expect that to happen do you?

2)You say that 14 of the 21 games we played aren't good teams? So I see you have a No on Toronto, New York and Utah(winners of 5 in a row that has wins against, the New Orleans, Den and the Bucks) all above .500 and currently in playoff seeds and arguably Indiana is out of the playoff picture but above .500. This is why looking at real numbers and not being blinded by the name of teams is good when done correctly. So add those teams (total of 6 games you had a no on)back into your numbers and now it looks like it goes to 11/21 games..... against good/decent/playoff/above .500 teams. Your argument here is blown away by incorrect data you provided. More then half our games were against good teams.

3)This injury one is a great point I'm glad you brought up. So what your telling me here is that all these injuries really impacted the offensive production by the top teams in the league? Lets break down the ones you mentioned

Boston- Lets talk about Gordon's injury if this injury never happened, would we have seen the exact same Production from Tatum and Brown? Rhetorical question, you know the answer. Kyrie has played in 23/24 games, Horford has played in 22/24 games....again CP3 missed 15 games, think that would have had an impact on us?

GSW- KD has played in 18/23 games and the warriors only lost 1 without him the lineup. Draymond has played in 22/23 games....they won that game. Again the rockets were without CP3 for 15 games and lost 4 of those he wasn't in...you tell me if those 4 games if any would have been won with CP3 out there, I know the numbers and the answer is yes, we may be only sitting at 1-2 vs 4 loses.

SA- Kawhi and Parker being out, we all know Patty Mills is the better player then Parker during this part of his career, Im gonna cancel them two out. Do you think LMA and Rudy Gay would be playing as well as they are if Kawhi was back playing? We've had a entire sample size from last year on how LMA plays with Kawhi, would you like to challenge me on this? Rudy gay plays Kawhi's position nuff said, plus lets say he was back, whats to say he gets out there and it takes a couple weeks to get his game back up to speed?

Who's to say if all the injured players were playing,(which I proved only SA had true injuries as the others your mentioned missed minimal time) what and how they would contribute to their teams success. I can say the Rockets are 6-0 in games CP3 has played and missed more then half the games we played and also lost 4 of those game.

SO while you say these arguments with such vigor and as much enthusiasm as I do when I read the number and trends. Mine can be proved as yours can have a counter argument to just about every single one.

I didn't even mention up above that NeNe, Gordon and Ryno all missed time as well, didn't mention that our numbers drastically have taken a shot because of garbage time, we've have 3 30 point leads go away and end in low teens...

We have a lot of negatives that have driven our numbers down, so we could be just that much better but thats a what if like you were talking about, I like analyzing numbers that happen regardless of who's playing, because every team has had injuries...

 

Good eye, my bad. Make that 8-20, then.

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He is a hot head, I am one too with certain topics. I can restrain myself if needed though, can relate but enough is enough.

 

Brah, I told you. I respect where you're coming from, so I told you just be patient let me get to my computer. Before I respond to this all, let me tell you I'll need to do it back at my PC again, so bear with me.

I'll respond to this later, with diligence. Just to start it off though, cube matrix won't apply to point one. Main assumption is assuming variables are the same(rest before game, injuries, days off, etc.). Secondly, Toronto you're right, my bad. 8-20 make it. I get adjusted SOS, I do. I don't claim SOS is everything, and it's not why Dallas will turn it around in a 180 fashion but in a lesser degree-absolutely, I do believe it. I don't think they'll be a 6/23 win % the ENTIRE season. They'll be a tad bit better, but marginally.

I'll be back.
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Just a volatile commodity, much like things I trade. I can be sweet and nice, or a stiff dick. Telling me to shut the **** up asswipe after I took the time out to reply @seeingredtx, will make me a large stiff dick. Politely engaging like @seeingredtx has done, will get me to genuinely and willingly discuss in a back and forth in a clean manner. It's that simple.

SIL

 

Im sorry i have to say this...

Utah, New York and Indiana all were left off as well, and all above .500. They are good teams, or at least above average... and all hold a positive differential..don't give me...well okc has a positive one as well...we know they are a good and scary team...growing pains

 

Do you think those are quality teams though?

I sure don't. Being above 500, 20gms into the season isn't really convincing.


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