Jayz750 Why don't you post EXACTLY what he SHOULD have said in response to each comment. I'm just interested to see what is acceptable.
pgab: i think what most people here are trying to say (although some may have overstated it) is that they wish steve looked more at the team aspect of what happened and not just his point total versus their pg's point total. i think i speak for all of us (that have critisized francis lately) when i say that we think francis doesn't have a clue how to outplay his opposing point guard other than to outscore him. think about this: if francis outscores his opponent, do you think he believes he outplayed his opponent? of course, that requires an ability none of us have (or want, in my case): the ability to crawl inside of steve's head. but what do you think? what's your opinion? i think he would believe he had outplayed them. that said, i still have hope for steve. just not as a point guard. he's just not a point guard, and i think even you can see that. unfortunately, he's the best one we have, so we have to roll with it. but we get frustrated watching someone with so much talent continually be unable to have instincts and execute plays that scrub guards like mo williams and carlos arroyo do consistently. this is all probably unfair, though, imo because IMHO point guards are born, not taught. the answer? the magical answer? get a new point guard....correction...get a good point guard. whether that means moving steve to the 2, or trading steve for a good point plus whatever, i don't care. but we have always, and will continue to always struggle offensively as long as a shooter is playing the distributing position. any disagreements?
"their point guards outplayed me. they led their team to a victory and took advantage of the opportunties that were there. i'm going to do everything possible to make sure that doesn't happen again, though."
I disagree. I think you CAN teach someone to be a good PG if they have the physical tools. The mental aspect of a PG is something that coaches are supposed to instill in their players. So the logical next question is: has JVG been doing his job?
When in fact, he said the exact opposite to this right? He said "I outplayed them, they were fortunate to win and got lucky, I'm not going to sweat these punks at all." This is the kind of browbeating that I was referring to earlier. It's like you guys feel entitled to hear and see certain ritualistic acts of contrition to repair your delicate sensibilities whenever Rockets players defy your wishes both on and off the court. If only you guys could teach them the magic words..... BTW, I guarantee you if he had said that, somebody would find a way to crap on him for it. "Took advantage of opportunities that were there? HE's not giving them credit for forcing their opportunities! blah blah blah" How about they just go out and win tonight, is that ok?
i couldn't disagree more. teaching someone how to make a bounce pass or a lob pass is not teaching them how to be a point guard. being a pg is more than a skill set, it's an instinct. it's knowing what player needs the ball right now. it's knowing how, where and when he likes his passes. it's knowing how to keep your opponents respect, but not being a ballhog. it's keeping your teammates happy with their touches. it's controlling the tempo of the game...knowing when to push, when to slow down, when to go 2 for 1, when to go for the exciting play, when to go for the basic play. it's knowing how to take care of the ball...reducing unforced turnovers. it's being a leader - a calming influence - on the court (and off). it's being well versed in the playbook, yet knowing when it's appropriate to freelance. these are things whih are done in split seconds. every coach or armchair coach worth his salt can watch a tape and tell you what you should have done. but it takes a special individual to see it and execute it at exactly the right moment without even thinking. these are special, special players. i've had countless "bigs" tell me the same thing: "a point guard'll make or break you." they can make you look good, and they can - singlehandedly - make you have a sh*tty game. all because they are the one person that decides if anyone at all gets the ball, and where they'll get it.
Also, let's not lessen the importance of scoring. You can be out rebounded, out assisted, out blocked, and turn the ball over more. As long as you have more points, you win. Scoreboard is the only thing that matters.
When in fact, he said the exact opposite to this right? He said "I outplayed them, they were fortunate to win and got lucky, I'm not going to sweat these punks at all." So he's improved marginally since lat year, when his and Mobley's comments after the Dallas game were essentially those - "they got lucky with the zone, we're really the better team, we'll win next time..." Right Maybe by the time Steve retires he will truly understand what the "right words" are If only you guys could teach them the magic words..... Magic words? Not asking for to much here, just for Steve to be a professionaly. At least watch some tape for goodness sake... BTW, I guarantee you if he had said that, somebody would find a way to crap on him for it. "Took advantage of opportunities that were there? HE's not giving them credit for forcing their opportunities! blah blah blah" Guarantee all you want, Steve will never say anything like that (what verse proposed), so it's pointless to even discuss the hypothetical. How about they just go out and win tonight, is that ok? um...yes. That's all people are saying...stop spouting crap to the media and just go win. Win every game, every playoff game, and the championship. Anything less is unacceptable - JVG knows it. Aren't you tired of making excuses?
lol! now THAT would've been funny! probably so. can't make everyone happy. outplaying those scrubby point guards would help achieve that goal. *** so, don't you agree that would've been a much better quote than what francis said? and don't you see a problem with him focusing solely on the fact that they scored more points than he did? i mean, what point guard - what GOOD point guard - ever made such an argument? i outplayed him, cause i outscored him... or they outscored me, so they outplayed me. or "If you want to stack two guys against one, points-wise, I think they outplayed me," Francis said. "They scored more points than I did. And I can accept that. I'm not going to sit up there and lie about it. But that's why you definitely have to look forward to playing a team like that again. Tomorrow is definitely going to be a completely different game from our team as a whole than it was up in Utah." nothing about helping his team win, except him scoring more than those two. call him a bad interview or whatever, but it doesn't fly with me. his play mirrors this quote more often than not.
Not nearly as tired as I am of people saying that they are tired of excuses. Give it a rest until we actually hit the lottery.
Verse, Jay Z, all this silly arguing about the microsemantics by you amateur Kremlinologists just underscores my point about how r****ded it all is.
Steve just needs to think more of the team than himself and his vendetta against the Jazz. He is sounding more like that Leon from the Budweiser commericial. Give up your damn ego, Francis!
he he. interesting tactic. when unable to prove a point, or when facing a logical argument that you're unprepared and/or unable to rebut, result to insults. all the months of reading you defend steve and rebut people, and you've finally shown your true colors... today is a day to remember.......
We, a four-year lottery-ticket holder, look down at a team who has completely forgotten what lottery means. I like our confidence.
What point is that that I have failed to prove, that is is productive, relevant or meaningful to overanalyze every single quote for signs that Brezhnev has lost standing with the Central Committee? And you've declared your own victory a la Trader Jorge, victory over what or how, I'm not sure. today is a day to forget..... Continue with your analysis then, sorry I stopped in on this thread. A
If you guys know the truth, why don't you just come out and say that we will not make the playoffs this year, so I can bookmark it. Put some of your rep on your overreacting. I guarantee that we will make the playoffs this year. There, I said it. Bookmark it and chastize me if we don't.
