I thought you guys would have fun with these (note: only players who average more than 10 mins per game are included): Hopefully, the graphs are self explanatory. If not, here is an interpretation: In wins, Yao has the best +/- of any of the regulars (not including Padgett or Braggs), at +8.7 per 48 (i.e. when he is on the floor, the Rockets out score their opponents by an average of 8.7 points per 48 mins in wins). Jackson is second @ 8.5 and Francis is next at 8.4. In losses, Taylor has the worst +/- of any of the regulars at 9.4 per 48 (i.e. when he is on the floor, the Rockets get outscored by their opponents by an average of 9.4 points per 48 mins in losses)(Pike actually has the worst, but I didnt count him since hes only played in 4 games). Moochie is the next worst at 7.2 per 48. In wins v. losses, Moochie has the biggest difference @ 15.7 per and Taylor is next @ 14.8 per. (therefore, one can conclude (subject to debate) that Moochie's play is the most volatile in wins v. losses).
Nice job. It seems obvious that Mo is a major weakness for us so far. We get outscored when he is on the floor from his lack of D and his shot hasnt been falling consistently yet. and everyone seems to blame it on the guards..who all have more than +8 differential. Interesting stat that Pike is waay negative....I'd wager that will change once he gets into the flow(what little flow there is) and his shots start falling, that will change. His D isnt that bad.
Yeah, you have to take Pike's +/- with a grain of salt, since he hasnt played much. Mo's +/- really stinks. Its especially concerning since he plays quite a bit with Yao, Cato, Steve, Cat and Jackson. I would venture to guess that Mo plays more mins with the starters than any other reserve.
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I do not need a bunch of meaningless numbers to tell you that essentially the Rockets would be a better team if we had better basketball players. Isn't that what trade threads are for: to talk about how the Rockets would be better if they had so and so vs. so and so.
To me, Mo Taylor is the most ineffective player in the rotation. Ball movement always stops right after he receive the ball, then he ISOs and most time he couldn't finish. He's D and rebounding sucks too, unlike Cato, MoT is a natual PF and he was schooled by most PF also, ie, AK 47 and Miller. He is just inefficient and since his coming back, the team chemistry turns just bad. One more thing, Braggs got waived because MoT's back to rotation, but according to the chart, obviously Rox made a mistake. They should keep him and let Ford go. Ford is simply not ready yet, let him go and develop. Who else will pick him up? Sigh.
Do Mo T's stats coincide witht he fact that he hasnt played a full season of ball for a while? I'm surprised by the whole Moochie thing, but then I guess it makes sense because everyone in the forum is saying we need a true point guard
and thats the really funny thing...Moochie stinks (even to me) and yet in our wins, his +/- is near the top...but in our losses his numbers are as bad as they are good in wins. How is this possible? is it because of the people he is on the court with? We should get a better feel for this once we can come up with some +/- charts on the different lineups VG puts out there. codell... Pike's are taken with a grain of salt, same deal with Braggs. Neither one of them has played enough to get a true representation of what they bring.
what the stats tell me,is that when our pf (taylor) is shooting well,we win,and when he doesnt,we lose. So the solution is to find a good shooting pf that can rebound better than MO,and also find a better backup pg than Moochie,because that is also a major facter in wins.losses.Thats how bad Moochie is. Usually 1 player by himself doesnt cause losses,but with Moochie its different.
egn, dont hate just because you dont understand what the numbers say. its a real shame that the only threads that get the responses are the stupid b****ing threads and trade threads, while ones that are more about figuring out what the strengths and weaknesses of players and what can be done to take advantage or cover them are virtually ignored. maybe there arent enough people who actually care. all t he ones that used to are gone..
So what are the top two graphs showing us? To me, points means points scored per game or 48 minutes, but I look next to Francis and I see that Francis is scoring 3.1 points per 48 minutes. What do "points" represent in these two graphs?
egn: Give it the Jimmy Hart mouth of the south bullhorn act a rest for five seconds. Some people want to talk basketball here still. Please let them. I wonder what dual/trio plus/minus charts would look like (Steve-Cat, Steve-Yao, Cat-Yao, 3 guard lineup, Cato-Yao)?
EXACTLY! I can't believe someone would actually argue that an objective, detailed analysis of very unique statistics for Rocket players is meaningless. Good stuff, codell.
I think Plus Minus ratios are good stats that can determine both offense and defense. Jaromir Jagr is a great player. His plus minus ratio in the NHL was something like -18 last year or two years ago. Maurice Taylor is an eyesore. He just doesn't play good D.
The most surprising is Moochie's numbers. Contrary to popular belief, we actually outscore people (albeit only 1.2 points per 48 min.) when he's on the floor. Jackson has the highest (both per game and per 48) among the starters, even though he is not shooting well. Thanks a lot, codell. I like +/- stats. It shows things such as smart passing (without getting the assists), defense, drawing opposing defensive attention, boxing out (without actually getting the rebound) and so on that don't show up in conventional numbers.
To me it looks like the conclusion to be drawn here is that we should keep Padgett and get Braggs back... The rest of the team is trade bait...
