A Canary In The Mine: An Open Plea To All CCF Rockets Fans ( Please Read )

Yeth, a feud that runneth long and giveth everyone the runneth.

 

Sorry, my mistake (time to clean my glasses), actually I agree with all the points you listed.

 

mickey b,

everything that you said is right. but you have to understand...

with a group this size, it was inevitable that something like this would happen and it's not just garm that it's happening in. the board has become overrun with those trying to win popularity contests and those trying to gain acceptance with the "ancients".

i've seen A LOT battles going on during the eight months that i've been here... yof v. ayof, prc v. arc, pbc v abc (in d&d), and ALL of it seems to stem from seniors battlings the "noobs" (that is such a cool word by the way. i guess it comes from liking of one of the greatest fighting games of all time).

anyway, the only way i see to get rid of the problem is to get rid of the senior/member/junior label, post count, join date, and member number. what is the purpose of those? is it some kind of security blanket that says, "oh yeah?!? well i've been here longer than you have, i have more friends than you do here, and they'll back me up when necessary."

honestly, what's the first thing that you do before responding to someone's post? 1. check who it's from. 2. if it's no one that you've heard of, then you check when they joined. 3. if they haven't been here long you respond by saying "lock this thread" or "there's two minutes of my life that i'll never get back".

if people are to be treated equally here, then why put any kind of a label on anybody? judge posters' post from their content... not from when they joined.

anyway... to keep this thread from going to the feedback forum...

all you have to do is post your argument, argue it sensibly, and if you see that the argument is going nowhere... leave it alone. you don't always have to get the last word to be right.

 

Is that all, or is there anything of substance that I missed? Just curious.

 

Although censorship is anathema to my principles, I sometimes wonder whether a small dose would be a tonic rather than a poison.

The moderators have been much quicker in closing offensive threads (thank you). Perhaps they should just expunge offensive posts as well as the pointless retorts. I realize that would require more moderator time, but perhaps they could appoint sub-moderators. The space saved on the server would be a bonus, and blatherers would not have the satisfaction of seeing their words live on.

The question is: Where is the border between tonic and poison?

 

Good thread, just wrong forum.

There are alot of good points in this thread. One thing that I think Clutch has talked about before is drafting a FAQ and/or acceptance policy for the BBS. It may be needed now more than ever since the aquisition of Yao has brought a huge influx of new posters to the board. A few general guidelines and/or FAQ's could help the quality of the board as well as curb alot of the disputes that occur between groups and individual posters.

 

I think you must be missing something, because that's not worth 4 pages.

 

YOU said that .

 

I think most of your takes are quite correct, except for the last one -instead of we should not quickly label fans as "Player x" only, MacB is completely against the labelling of the fans.

Oh, & like me, he is probably tired of all the bashing & arguments going on around here thus against any discussions that will lead to "x" only fan against anti-"x" only fan.

 

Unfortunately, that label has become to mean as "People who are Yao's fan" and also carry as an insult that they are stupid.
Therefore it is like labelling all that People who are Yao's fan or new fan because of Yao are stupid.

It has been used in this term more often than not.

Also whenever the conflict between old time fans and the rocket organization has come, the finger is also often pointing to these new fans as a course of setback. (be it the name of the Toyota center, the logo, the Houston is not on the jersey or even the red jersey look like Chinese jersey )

You see it is also mirror the real society. The new comer or minority is stereotyped (from your experience with unintelligent or nonpolite posters who happened to be Yao's fan)and the whole group of peole is labelled. Then the labelled is used to redicule, discriminated and put blame on.

How would you expect the minority to react?

 

All discussions dissolve into that...

afterall, if you dont agree with some people's arguments, you must be a "whatever-only fan"

The only kind of fans I want to see....are "Rockets-only fans"

 

Sorry, you are right. I was using the wrong words.

I meant to say discussions that will lead to heated debates due to the labelling/discriminating of someone as "x"only & anti-"x"only fans.

 

I think those of us who like just everybody on the team, including both Yao and Steve, have always loved the quality of posts on this board, and especially the quality of analyzation and even criticism of Rockets players.

It's hard to come in now and see a level of criticism that can be summed by 'Player X sucks are team will suck unless we trade player X. That player will never be any good. I would rather have player Y(where Y<X) on our team. Y is a much better player.' Those kind of knee jerk solutions would be hard to stomach during a year when our record was poor, and we had just been blown out of a game. It's even worse to go to the boards and see it after a game we won by 30+ points.

I've said it before, but it I think it bears repeating. Why are those people following the team? They obviously don't enjoy the victories, they don't like members of the starting line up they may dislike more than one member of the starting line up, as well as a bench player or two. What possible enjoyment do those people get out of being fans? And if they are so miserable watching the Rockets they are welcome to watch another team.

The only reason I can think of that they watch the team, is that they have formed a habit or enjoy moaning and complaining about the team, more than they want the team to win.

If the only level of criticism and analyzation people can give is 'Trade player X or we are doomed.' Then this board and all of us who read it are in trouble. That kind of blabber certainly isn't insightful, and it certainly doesn't enlighten anyone.

There are other people who criticize the same player or players all the time, but it goes a little deeper than just 'trade or are the team sucks.'

 

Well I have been called a YOF. Since I still ended up reading your thread, that probably made me either not a true YOF, not that IGNORANT as you have ASS-U-MEd, or your generalization is totally wrong.

 

Agreed. As to the movie, was it one of the "James Bond" series? And you are an English professor, aren't you?

 

Amen - McBeth

 

Here's my 2 cents. When I started to get upset with some of the post/threads I just said you know what I'm going to start posting more to voice my opinion instead of always lurking. (That doesnt mean I want to argue with any one). I just ignore certain people and move on to the next post/thread I want to be entertained by. Because its all for entertainment purposes. We now have some new posters that have had me laughing my a** off and I really thought at first when we started getting a lot of new posters that this board was going down hill. But now I think it will all come together and this board will reamain a great one. BTW Go Rockets!

 

There is one phrase that defines most people on this board. "Fair weather fans", Francis plays well they like him, same with Yao. When the Rockets lose all of them turn their back, but right when we start winning... Its the worst thing anyone can be, if you have a FAVORITE team you must support it no matter what!

Brown

 

Wow, MB is a very eloquent poster, expressign genuine frustration, and some of you guys just blow him off. MB is about three steps behind me in his frustration with the GARM. MOST of it is damn near unreadable, in fact, if it weren't for the advent of the rating system I wouldn't have come back in her at all.
Stickies with the first post being simply "1st", seriously get a life.
Wanna be a Yao fan cool, just realize that Basketball requires 5 guys on the floor.
Wanna talk trades, great, but back it up with some substance, not just Real GM saying trade accepted.
Nobody should be "hating" any players in here. You can talk about weaknesses but you also need to recognize strengths. I'm not saying be a homer, but you should at least support your team and recognize that we have good players.
This may be just like MacBeth's post though, pearls before swine.
By the way if your offended by any of this, then you are who I am talking about; you are the problem.

 

Hummmm...Did you list your concerns in order of importance ?

On a more positive note, there are still some very good threads on this board. I've had a good laugh with the courtside report from the Clippers. I found a great pick of Cato and Yao in football uniforms touching each other's knee, and i'm awaiting the posting of pics for the hottest Rocket girlfriend...you even have the informative, well thought out MacBeth posts...there's something for everyone here !