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  1. ipaman

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    jailed for contempt of court but not initially for exercising her "free speech" which she really wasn't. she wasn't doing her job, should have been fired on the spot. i think she has her job back, won re-election but the moron is issuing licenses like she should now. and yes she is a democrat.

    but you'll notice the liberal brigade won't acknowledge posts from certain posters when they agree but they go full libidiot outrage if they disagree. what they don't realize is they embarrassingly expose themselves when they do that. folks like that are just a guilty in contributing to this country's divide.
     
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    So you are equating refusing service as a government employee to bending a knee.

    K.
     
  3. BigDog63

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    Not true. If it were true, I don't think we' be having this issue. Colin was quite clear...he was only protesting the people of color that were killed, and also whether they were in the act of committing a crime never really seems to matter.

    White people that get killed that were not in the act of committing a crime( which happens both more often and at a higher rate)...that's all good, apparently. Hence the disconnect on the issue.

    Actually, to be fair, Colin didn't even mention police killings, he said mistreatment of people of color. Most people I think realize that still occurs.

    The one issue I really have with Kaepernick (and I agree, to my total shock, with Stephen A on this), is when it came out that he never voted. It's hard to not detract from one's perception of a peaceful protest when you find out the one protesting has never taken the most basic and fundamental step in enacting change in a democracy....voting.
     
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  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    I'm talking about more than shootings, I'm talking about the criminal justice system as a whole.
     
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  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yep...

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    I'm not equating anything. I wasn't the one who brought her up in the first place.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    So you are changing the subject and admitting that their claims are lies?
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, I'm talking about the big picture. You're the one whose point only makes sense if you laser focus on a specific claim by a specific person.
     
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  9. Bobbythegreat

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    You can feel free to broaden it to multiple lies by multiple people, point is the "racist cops murdering black people" narrative was always a lie.
     
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    Dude you are out of touch and really have no clue these things you call lies are the truth black ,white and brown lives have been lost behind the actions of bad cops.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    I didn't suggest otherwise, there are certainly bad cops out there, but that doesn't make the narrative that racist cops are out hunting down and murdering innocent black people any less r****ded.

    Only simple minded people feel the need to turn "bad" into "evil"
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    That isn't what the protests are about, since you hadn't noticed. The protests are about inequitable treatment on the part of the criminal justice system. It is sad that you refuse to understand.
     
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  13. Bobbythegreat

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    Perhaps that's what they are saying now that the initial reasons were proven to be lies....but you can't ignore all of the comments about black people being murdered in the streets when people were trying to justify this BS initially.

    Also, again, when you are talking about equitable treatment by the criminal justice system when it comes to race, that's something that exists today.....so again, still an invalid and r****ded protest.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    You made up the initial reason for the kneeling. I have posted what was originally said on it, and you chose to ignore that and stick with the reason you made up about why they started.

    If you are going to make up the other side's argument rather than use what they've actually said, then you aren't really proving a point to anyone but you and the imaginary arguments against which you are debating.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    You are being willfully ignorant claiming that the Kap protest wasn't a reaction to the police shooting in his home town IMMEDIATELY before he started it and it's not going to work with me.

    When he was asked about why he was protesting and what needed to change he said

    "There’s a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality. There’s people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable. People are being given paid leave for killing people. That’s not right. That’s not right by anyone’s standards."

    So yeah, you pretending that he wasn't trying to say that he was protesting for police shootings is just willful ignorance. You know that it was based on a lie so you are trying to change the narrative after the fact.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    He mentioned one of the symptoms of what he's protesting. That doesn't make it the single reason for starting the protest.

    Apparently, you are big on thinking of your own ideas about other people's motives and or options and then presuming that your ideas are fact while ignoring what the other folks actually said was their motivation.

    It would be one thing if you presented it as if it was a possibility, but you don't even do that, you make up a reason of your own for the other person and then stick to it so rigidly, that it and you might break if you ever actually were willing to consider the evidence.

    There's no point in discussing an issue with you when you do this.
     
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  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    That's what the initial reasons were, stop ignoring reality.

    Why not? Apparently you're able to ignore instances of black people being murdered in the street just like you're ignoring the plain fact that the protests are about a far wider problem than what you're claiming they're about.

    Again, you're denying reality. The inequities in the criminal justice system today are well documented and supported by mountains of data.

    The only invalid arguments here are yours and the only one who appears "r****ded" in this conversation is you.
     
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  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    All bobbythewhiner has are logical fallacies (like the straw man you pointed out) and bullshit, as usual.
     
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  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    IMO, there is a point. The point is to give him enough rope to hang himself and in doing so, clearly prove to everyone on this BBS that he is steadfastly and willfully ignorant.
     
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  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Perhaps. I think he's hung himself many times and most folks on the bbs do see that already.
     
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