1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Cool gameflow stat site to track Rox

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 19, 2003.

Tags:
  1. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    Here's a cool web site to track Houston Rockets players "plus-minuses" on a game-by-game basis. Go to "game flow" and then click on the latest Rocket game:

    http://www.popcornmachine.net/
     
  2. danjojo

    danjojo Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2002
    Messages:
    589
    Likes Received:
    0
    I may be more stupid then the average fan but it looks quite complicated to understand...
     
  3. GATER

    GATER Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2000
    Messages:
    8,325
    Likes Received:
    78
    NewRoxFan -

    Thanks. This is the kind of stuff I find extremely interesting. The owner of the site is tracking +/- per player and that's a great stat. Plus they have something called "hv"...."help value" which (because it is always a positive number) appears to be connected to assists and attempted assists. IOW, if a Rocket makes a pass to a cutting player but the teammate misses the shot but is fouled, there is no assist recorded. It seems like the site owner is trying to track this aspect.

    For any one interested, the graph between the teams is tracking the margin of point differential (who's ahead) for the entire game and if you follow the timeline up or down you can see who was on the court!

    Excellent Thanks again.
     
  4. ragingFire

    ragingFire Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2003
    Messages:
    1,671
    Likes Received:
    0
    It looks interesting ... only if I can understand it a little more ... :)
     
  5. SpaceCity

    SpaceCity Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    1,046
    Likes Received:
    2
    "hv=REB+ASST+BLK+STL-TO"
     
  6. PhiSlammaJamma

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 1999
    Messages:
    29,957
    Likes Received:
    8,038
    It's pretty cool for individual games, but you would need a computer program to look for trends in it.
     
  7. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
    DOn't be surprised if JVG is quoted about this analysis in coming weeks... :D
     
  8. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2001
    Messages:
    20,716
    Likes Received:
    6,947
    is anyone willing to do some dirty work and look through our games and come up with each players avrage +/-?
     
  9. GATER

    GATER Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2000
    Messages:
    8,325
    Likes Received:
    78
    I should have looked at the bottom of the page! :eek:

    It's a lot like an efficiency rating minus the FGA's and FGM's.
     
  10. PopcornMachine

    PopcornMachine New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hello,

    I saw that you all were checking out my site, so I thought I'd come to say hello.

    I glad you like my GameFlows. The idea is to create a "visual box score" so that you can get a feel for how the game went and be able to pick out turning points.

    I track points and HelpValue for each player's stint in the game. I felt I had to combine all the other values into one number so the chart wouldn't be so busy. Hence the HelpValue.

    I'm going to add a help page to hopefully clear up any confusion. My goal is to do every game this season, for the whole league. So keep checking back. I appreciate any comments or questions.

    Thanks.
     
  11. ragingFire

    ragingFire Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2003
    Messages:
    1,671
    Likes Received:
    0
    A help page would be great.
    There are many good things with your charts ...

    I think you are tracking how well a team play with different line-ups in a game ... I wonder if some kind of total could be made season-long. Something along the line of a score assigned to a player depends on not just how well he does but also whether the team is gaining or losing when he is the game.

    Thanks.
     
  12. swilkins

    swilkins Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2003
    Messages:
    7,115
    Likes Received:
    11
    I really like the different perspective.

    Unfortunately, I had about 10 pop-ups come up.:mad:
     
  13. PopcornMachine

    PopcornMachine New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
  14. Rockets2K

    Rockets2K Clutch Crew

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2000
    Messages:
    18,050
    Likes Received:
    1,271
    no popups for me..must have been a problem with his machine.

    btw, nice site...keep the good work up.
    ;)

    and welcome to our padded board.
     
  15. bigboymumu

    bigboymumu Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 1999
    Messages:
    3,421
    Likes Received:
    1
    I was thinking about exactly this! I was wondering how well we do with Moochie in the game.
     
  16. movement

    movement Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2001
    Messages:
    212
    Likes Received:
    0
    The page is awesome. It’s very cool to see the patterns of the game and see who is playing when the team is on a run or losing. I’m wondering if the help value is skewed? Maybe a scale of assists being 1.5, blocks, steals, and turnovers 2 pts? But you can pick all sorts of different values for the help value. What script are you using to create the charts?
     
  17. PopcornMachine

    PopcornMachine New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks.

    I don't skew the data for the HelpValue. I guess you could argue that. The main idea was to present a players contribution in as few numbers a possible.

    I get data from several sources and use a Perl script I wrote to generate the pages. The actual flow images are created with Perl and ImageMagick.
     

Share This Page