NBA trade rumors: Knicks keeping Carmelo Anthony over taking Rockets offer?

If he is such a piece garbage why are there like 10000 posts on Melo's trade? Maybe Tucker signing provides a lot more net value?

 

There are more on Donatas.....

 

Because context matters.

A highly motivated, happy, in-shape Melo as a 3rd star on a team that already has Harden and Paul is great value even at $25m and a no trade clause and declining abilities.

A depressed, sad, out of shape 2nd fiddle on a rebuilding team on a team that sports Porzingis and Ntilikina is atrocious value at $25m and a no trade clause and declining abilities.

Same player, different utility. It's why a contender is willing to pay more for him than a rebuilding team.

 

The start of camp??... very low imo. The history for these "inevitable" trades shows it too that the longer they sit on the shelf the more likely they will go in another direction as other options will come available if they haven't already (see OKC, and Portlands pursuit).

Look at Dwight and the Brooklyn Nets for historical reference. And when Melo was super persistent the first time to go to NY, he forced the Knicks to gut their team which really hurt Melo. I think he learned from that and he's probably not going to put extra pressure on Morey to include the likes of Capela and EG to get him there now. Nor will Morey feel the added pressure as he's really good at tuning out what the fans, agents, etc think he needs to do. The one guy he does listen to though is James Harden and now Chris Paul.

So I'd say 20% chance maybe, but that 20% is likely a deal that will be hard to swallow. 30% chance by the trade deadline. 25% chance he's with another team that comes along, and 25% chance he stays there the whole year (which means 25% chance they are a good playoff team in the East).

 

I agree but at this point even CP3 is a rental. No guarantee he resigns beyond this year. CP3 isn't stupid and didn't leave bonus money on the table for the Rockets he did it so that he can become a RFA next year just in case him and Harden don't work. So ultimately it doesn't matter what route HOU takes with Melo. Also it seems to me that Melo is unwilling to take a paycut therefore Gordon, Asnderson, Ariza, and possibly Capela will be gone next season of Melo, CP, and LBJ decide to sign here

 

that anderson contract is an STD. I don't blame the knicks for wanting no part of that.

 

Let's sign some more under sized pfs and call it day

 

This is so bizarre. If CP3 (or any top free agent) wanted to do that, they could/should just sign 1-year deals every time. And also, he'll be a UFA, not an RFA.

It did help the Rockets stay above the cap and thus build a better team around Harden and CP3 — and I do think that was part of the motivation. But if he simply wanted a 1-year deal based on your "just in case he and Harden don't work" theory, it'd have been smarter for him to go to free agency and sign that there (like Durant last summer), when he could've gotten $35M instead of $25M.

That said, there is one personal perk for CP3 in this... him opting in was the only way he could get the 5-year, $200M+ supermax from a team other than the Clippers. If you want to play conspiracy theory and look at reasons for him doing that beyond helping the Rockets, that is by far the biggest reason.

 

Melo has an ETO that could be exercised next summer. He's likely out so Knicks would really only pay $27mm.

It's also likely that Knicks are ok with this bc the upshot is they'll have a chance to play in the 2019 NBA free agent class, which includes some big names. But even then, that depends on how much KP gets in his 2019 RFA. I doubt he takes the qualifying offer that would extend him to 2020.

If that's the Knicks thinking, then they have some leverage. Ultimately though, any route will likely just result in a core team of Kristaps, Frank N, and Tim Hardaway Jr with maybe $30mm to go get a superstar and like 9 other players. No way that sells to superstar FAs and will likely inflate secondary-target player costs for themselves.

 

I think this is right. Further, I think some pro-Melo-trade folks here play up the "cancer" narrative as to Melo. I think it's false. I don't think he'll be a cancer on the Knicks were he to return. He'd make his money, live in his favorite city, nurture his relationship with his children, and reunite with Lala.I think when Melo says he's "at peace" he means that he is ok that he has done all he can and has made his feelings known. If the trade happens so be it, if not, so be it. No cancer.

This won't sit well with some of the pro-trade folks who hope the "cancer" narrative forces the Knicks to enter into a bad deal. They won't do it.

See, Melo means more than just his declining (but respectable) numbers to NY. He is the name, the entertainment value, the flash, that is NY. They will not budge unless we give more than we are willing, and we should not think him being a "cancer" will force their hand. He's a professional. He'll play out his contract and move on.

 

So we'll likely be sending our 2018 1st rounder to ATL through LAC which means our 2019 pick is ours, free and clear.

Why don't we throw that in for Melo? 2019 NBA draft class is intriguing, but it looks like none of them we would likely land could be contributive to a championship team. Plus, Ryno would come off the first year we still own our picks in 2020. So likely, our team would have a lower record, plenty of cap space, and picks. Good timing and decent positioning to rebuild. 2020 draft class seems < 2019, but having a low pick from 2019 is not enough marginal potential to be of more value than getting Melo now.

Or was that already part of the already rejected package?

 

oh well we got more defense, glad he passed

Could see morey getting him through CP

Just like we got E.G through Anderson

 

Is this thread worth reading or following? Doesn't appear to be anything new.

 

Cannot include back to back picks (we can offer 2020 if we remove protections from 2018 pick)

 

Edit: nm

 

Can we remove them after whatever transaction that created the protection? Having a top 3 protected next year doesn't seem like a better option either when compared to Melo now for this roster.

 

Yes... which i think Morey would do IF NYK were willing to accept a 2020 1st and Ryno + expirings... until a deal is in place tho.....

 

We're not contenders with him nor without him, so doesn't matter.

 

Let's just hold tight with our poo poo platter offer, no need to panic. If nothing goes down, we are in the position to trade for both LeBron and Melo next summer (either of whom can opt in or elect for a sign and trade deal to us). We will have enough salary to send out for both and not be hard capped, while still retaining Harden and CP3. After the draft begins we can include our 2019 first rounder.

 

We aren't gonna get to 300 pages posting here just saying