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Guards need to learn how to lob pass when Yao is fronted by the defender - video clip

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by anthoang2k2, Nov 17, 2003.

  1. Jeff

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    If you truly don't see the difference between Yao and Duncan/Shaq, then there is no point in arguing.
     
  2. verse

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    refer to my second and third-to-last paragraphs in my previous post....
     
  3. studogg

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    Jeff, I understand what you are saying about two defenders making the lob pass more difficult, but it isn't anywhere near impossible. True you can no longer push the lob pass a couple of feet beyond the center and let him run under it, but you can make a teardrop lob in certain instances. you should also have your floor spaced so that it makes it more difficult to swing the extra man from the weakside.
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    problem is, even as i look at it drawn out, I realize we don't have the shooters to keep the defense honest unless we put out a purely scoring lineup.


    in the above scenario, if you run piat at the two, cat at the three and padgett at the four, any defender that doubles is liable to get burned for a three.
     
  4. lancet

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    Yao is not at the level of Shaq/Duncan, but he is the third best center in the league after them. On the otherhand, our guards passing ability/mindset got to be among the last in the league, if not the dead last.

    You can argue all day long how Shaq/Duncan is stronger than Yao. But the truth is Yao showed he can make a dunk when he is open to the basket. If it takes no-name players like Braggs and Padgett to show the guards how to pass, how pathetic it is!
     
  5. studogg

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    sorry, the x'o scheme looked right when I typed it up but got smushed. It essentially put the shooters on the opposite side of the floor like we did w/hakeem. The two guard is baseline and the three is just off the top of the key. You four is in between. THis way if the defender is cheating from the two a swing pass should get you three.

    or at least a good look at it
     
  6. verse

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    since no one has refuted my post, i'll just assume that we all agree -

    our guards suck at throwing effective, accurate, timely entry passes.
     
  7. droxford

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    I would think that it would be a good idea for the Rockets to build and practice drills designed specifically for taking advantage of Yao's hieght in order to get the ball to him against a zone defense.

    -- droxford
     
  8. studogg

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    verse, I don't actually know if they suck at throwing that style of pass, because I have never seen them try it. I know they seem scared to do so.
     
  9. Darrinlane

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    ummmm.....sorry for venting earlier. I could never leave this sight.
     
  10. anthoang2k2

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    Perhaps zone defense might have something to do with the lack of lob passes. And Cato might have a reason for all the double teaming because defenses aren't threatened by Cato on the offensive end. But there several times in a game, i see the possibilty of a lob pass that the guards don't seem to notice.

    It's just frustrating because i know even I can make this simple pass. I don't remember seeing a lob pass from the guards last season and i haven't seen any lob passes from the guards again this season. Now i don't know if the guards just lack the skills to throw a simple lob pass or they just don't want to try it.

    If only the guards knew how to throw a lob pass, all it would take then is chemistry to perfect this play for an easy dunk. Maybe the guards can learn some chinese phrases (instead of Yao speaking english), so that when yao says "LOB PASS" in chinese, the guards would know what to do and the opposing team would be dumbfounded.
     
  11. LegendZ3

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    The thing is, if the Rockets will spread the floor, and spacing well, when the second defender came over and double yao, that means one guy must been wide open on the weak side for a easy shot or layup. So a lab WILL be efficient if Rockets have a shooter on the weak side ready for Yao's pass.
     
  12. Fegwu

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    Jeff
    Where is Heypee? Haven't seen him around for a while now. Hope all is well with him.


    Now to the main discourse - I completely dissagree with your stance. I do this because I believe that fundamental basketball require us to do things the right way without worrying about the 'other' things e.g. pass the ball to the open man even though he has not made his/her last 10 shots.

    That brings me to the lob pass issue - I am glad to see that many others like Lancet and Crash see the same issues I have been seeing from my vantage point. My thing here is this - you have to lob the ball over the fronting-defender's head whether or not Yao is as strong as Duncan or Shaq. It is the fundamental thing to do - it keeps the other team honest. It make not always work smoothly but one can only get better with more practise. I have seen lob passes to not-so-strong offensive players like Rashaad Lewis. It is as fundamental as it gets - the key is the technique [sic] and the will to execute it. Even my limited physics makes me understand that the 'Fronter' at that point is at a disadvantage and essential weaker at that instance. Heck the player you are lobbing it to is 7-6 with shoe on - if you cannot or are not confident enough to lob it to him who will you lob it then?
     
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    anthoang2k2, anybody
    Who around here has the video tape or DVD of the final match between China and Korea in the just concluded ASIA games? I'd like a copy to watch - I really enjoyed the clip I saw in the website referenced above.
     
  14. darkwarrior

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    the thing i think is that the guards do have the ability to throw a lob but they are not looking for it. I mean, they have the ability to setup alley oops (a LOT of them last year) but not a lob???
     

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