T-Mac "Anybody can win a championship, Everybody can't get in the hall of fame"

At least Stockton and Malone have an excuse, they ran into prime Olajuwon and MJ. What's Tmac's excuse??? He ran into the corpse of Andre Kirilenko????

LMAO

 

And you would say the same about John Stockton? Are you kidding me? GMAFB. There's a lot involved in an NBA team than just one guy playing hero ball non-stop. Kobe Bryant's best years statistically were some of the worst years for the Lakers record-wise during his time there...this is just common sense.

 

Idk if I can call a guy that made millions of dollars a loser...but point taken.

 

Injuries not only to him, but to his teammates, the fact that a lot of his best years were spent at a notoriously bottom-feeder organization in Orlando, and then you had some extremely good Mavericks teams and a well-known DYNASTY Spurs team.

Come on man, you aren't even trying. I'm guessing you just hate T-Mac. The guy got a lot of respect from great players around the league...even Kobe was speaking at some event talking about how in awe he was of T-Mac's abilities. 13 points in 35 seconds...countless other feats, T-Mac was a GREAT player. Look at the list of players to lead the league in scoring for multiple seasons and you can't point to one player from that list that isn't or isn't going to be an all-time great. The only guy from that list not in the HoF is Kevin Durant now since T-Mac is now in the HoF.

 

No, I wouldn't. Stockton won, just not the title. T-mac's not a winner, period.

 

I don't hate Tmac, dude was just a massive underachiever so it's easy to see why he would make dumb statements like this n the OP. He had 3-1 leads against Detroit, 2-0 Mavs and couldn't finish the deal. He wasn't injured during those series, either. When you constantly blow 3-1 or 2-0 leads in first round series while being the lead dog you have only yourself to blame for that.

 

Darco and every 12th man on a championship team. They can all win. None are likely to be in HOF.

 

Exactly! For all the criticism Harden has taken - roughly the same as T-Mac as in not playing defense, not being an alpha etc. - he got to the WCF and semis while also being a stats god. HOF should be reserved for winners.

 

He isn't a loser as a human being, he is a loser when it comes to the competitive arena. There are lots of great and productive people that are not great competitors.

 

Basketball is by far the easiest HOF to get into of all the major sports.

 

T-Mac wasn't the only player on the team...you know there's 5 players for each team on the court at a time, right?


You're probably the type that watches James Harden miss a shot at the end of a game and then reasons, "he just didn't want to win enough and winners make shots" as to why he missed the shot. As if these players give less effort every game they lose and then when they win somehow they gave "more effort". You're only knock on T-Mac is the team output and basketball while being one of the most individually weighted team sports out there is still a team sport at the end of the day and there's a reason having one good player wasn't ever enough for any team to ever win a championship. Even Michael Jordan had Scottie Pippen, Magic Johnson had Kareem, Worthy, Bob McAdoo, Byron Scott...

 

I hate so much argument "I am better because I have got more rings" and I hear it all the time from different players and even coaches (e.g. Phil Jackson) like they think one player won only by himself. It's not individual sport, It's a team sport.

It's like saying Luc Longley is better than Hakeem Olajuwon because 3 rings is more than 2, or better than Pat Ewing because 3>0

Everything matters :
* how great you are
* how great you're teammates are
* how great coaches are
* how great bench is
* how clutch they are
* how lucky you are
* how great chemistry is
* do you play on east or on west
* injuries

etc etc.


Rings are so overrated. The best players have impact like 20-30% of final success

 

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http://foxsanantonio.com/sports/max...ove-ex-spur-horry-from-sa-sports-hall-of-fame

Them Spurs are some crazy fanbase.

 

T-Mac had plenty of help in 2005, 2007 & 2008

 

Harden has already had much more team and individual success as a Rocket than T-Mac ever did.

 

Tracy McGrady put up big numbers in the playoffs. His problem we're always injuries (both he and his teammates), bad teammates, and his carelessness.

I blame the coaches for playing him and his stars player teammatees too much. They rode them until they were out of the league (Hill, Yao, even Juwan Howard was playing too many minutes because he didnt have a back up).

I blame the GMs for not building a good team around him. They got the star and they sold tickets becaus he sold out the arena. GMs did ok, never good until he was pretty much out of the league.

I blame TMac for making poor decisions (leaving Orlando), joining the Rockets, and never taking even the smallest paycut to get that one extra player.

 

"Plenty" of help relative to what? The Spurs had better overall rosters during those times as well as an obviously better HoF coach, thats why they won the championship in 2005 and 2007. 2008 champion had 3 future HoFers on one team that came together over one offseason (Celtics with Allen, Garnett and Pierce). The team that LOST in that 2008 finals (Lakers) went on to win back-to-back titles in 2009 and 2010. Like I stated before, timing, luck, injuries, and the landscape of the rest of the league has a LOT to do with it.


Why do you think LeBron has made it to the finals 7 straight seasons? Its no secret the eastern conference has been clearly an easier road to the finals during that time, this is an example of timing and luck, every player has these factors play a role over the course of their career.

 

Plenty of help...to get past the first round?

 

Tracy es puto.

 

Based on what metric? You're just saying he had "plenty of help" without being specific at all how his players matched up against the opponent.