Knicks, Rockets working on Carmelo Anthony trade scenarios

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Yes. Kyrie is better right now than Harden was when Harden was traded in 2013.

That's a fact

 

Opting in to be Petty for not ebing traded from the Knicks is definitely a possibility, though IMO a very very tiny possibility. Melo has always prioritized money when it comes to the NBA.

In opting in, he would be giving up not only money, but long term security and his own freedom of UFA, so he could be more miserable on the Knicks for another year to pay back the Knicks for forcing him to be miserable because he was on the Knicks the past year. huh? what???

Having a change of heart is definitely very possible, heck it happened with Kobe in 2007. The knicks could play 500ish% ball, make the playoffs and have a non dysfunctional season and Carmel, knicks fans and front office are all happy. In this case Melo opting in, doesn't hurt the knicks, rather it helps them. By opting in Melo loses the chance to get more money and years from the Knicks, while the Knicks hope to build on their season.

 

When Harden was traded in 2013, he posted 25.9 PPG, 4.9 RPG, and 5.8 APG while playing 38.3 MPG.

Irving's best stastical season pre-LeBron was 22.5 PPG, 3.7 RPG, and 5.9 APG for 34.7 MPG.

So before Harden was traded, he might not have posted the better statistics. But he showed right after the trade that he is a force to be reckon with.

 

Na

 

No ****.

That's not my point.

My point is when Harden was on the trade market he was NOT a 4 time All-star, Finals clinching player. Harden is better than Kyrie NOW. but not in 2013.

 

Kyrie can't grow a beard like the homie

 

With the second scenario I think you may be overlooking the possibility of Carmelo being content and wanting to stay, but the Knicks wanting to move on.

I doubt his contract becomes unmoved be but another year older may diminish his value some. Not to mention if he has injuries or doesn't put up great numbers.

Knicks have said they want to go younger and such so you could have a scenario where the Knicks are ready to move on but Melo does not want to leave. If he opted in in that case I think their only option would be to stretch him or reach a buyout. Either way, Melo forces their hand to either keep a player around for 2 years they no longer want or to cut bait.

I can't see them keeping him this whole season let alone another whole season after this.

 

Reeko is talking about at the time they were traded. If we all knew how good Harden was going to be OKC would never would have traded him in the first place. Nor would Washington have declined a Beal/Harden deal. Irving right now is a much bigger star than Harden was in OKC. It would take a lot to get him in a trade.

 

Sometimes the arguments around here get so off-topic.

Harden was a diamond in the rough, in the sense that he was a 6th man and people knew he was good but not MVP good. I give Morey a ton of credit for getting him when other GMs didn't.

Kyrie is a known commodity, and as such, even though he shouldn't, he'll command a bigger return value than Harden did.

 

Be patient. Hold the line.

 

I get your point and I agree that Irving will command a higher return value since he is an already established star.

But my argument was if Irving is better than Harden (2013). With your last statement you answered my question. I beg to differ.

 

Isola is plugged in trust me, especially as it relates to Melo.

 

Thats an interesting perspective & scenario you've proposed, Melo opting in because he wants to stay but the knicks not wanting him to stay.

IF Melo has an abysmal year due to major injury or simply major performance decline, your scenario is very possible.

Obviously that requires a major decline in play due to age etc or injuries to the point that he isn't likely to make much more than the last year of his contract in a new multi year deal elsewhere which would cause him to opt in. Seeing as 33 year old Iggy signed for 48 million this past off season, Melo would need to suffer a catastrophic decline or long term injury to choose not to seek the last 4 year deal of his career and opt in instead. What do you think is the probability of this happening?

 

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I don't think this is a reason to debate but sure. I'll be your huckleberry.

Harden as a new Rocket in 2013 was THE focal point of the offense. Everything revolves around him. He had a usage rate akin to Westbrook's that season. The second best player on the team was Chandler Parsons.

Let's not use at that a way to say Harden that year is any way close to being the player Kyrie is right now while playing with two all star, one being Lebron freaking James. It's a disservice to Harden.

 

How many All-Stars would Kyrie have if he was in the West tho?

 

First of all, the second best player in that team was Jeremy Lin! /s