ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Raptors 11/16/2003

i don't think it's the fact that he doesn't trust his teammates. he's got the napolean complex. he is the star and he wants everyone to recognize. why should he past the ball to someone who's not as great as him. you can't see his greatness? you must be blind. you just wait, he'll prove his greatness to you. this shot might not go in but the next one will! AND ONE BABY! AND ONE!

 

Don't be too deceiving by AI many shots and low percentage shooting. He gets lots of double team and also draw players to him and create open plays for his teammates. Steve isn't doing that, he usually bailed out and pass when he can't shoot. If Steve become something like AI, I don't really mind.

 

yes he did...and missed his only shot attempt

 

How many good pass Yao got from Steve? please speak out honestly.

 

Just one simple question during the last play of the regulation: Why was there a double-team on Vince Carter which lead to the open man Bosh for the 3-point basket that tied the game into overtime? Carter was iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice cold thru out the game anyway. It was very unncessary for Cato to go at Carter. Cato's job was supposed to guard the hottie Bosh.

During the 2 OTs, the Rockets just like the old days, no execution, nothing, just plain shooting from outer range and missed badly. Van Gundy was probably jumping up&down, yelling; he wanted the ball to go inside out, ie, get offense thru Yao. The 2 OTs without a shot for Yao is just hilarious. Too much quick shots from the perimeter.

 

Sorry, didn't count the passes from each player.

BUT, I watched the game. He got plenty of touches...he wasn't shooting well, turned it over way too much, and just looked extremely tentative every time he got the ball...he did get the ball...maybe Steve had only 1 assist because nobody could hit a shot (35% for the game)

 

Hottie Bosh ? He had all of 10 points before that shot.

 

FYI - care of the Toronto Star

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...548&call_pageid=968867503640&col=970081593064

Double OT victory for Raptors


CANADIAN PRESS

Rookie Chris Bosh scored 25 points, including 10 in extra time, to lead Toronto to a 101-97 win over the Houston Rockets in double overtime Sunday, extending the Raptors' franchise-high win streak at home to five games.

Vince Carter added 18 points, while Lamond Murray and Antonio Davis chipped in with 13 apiece, and Jerome Williams finished with eight points and a team-high 11 boards for the Raptors (5-5).

Steve Francis scored 25 points for Houston (6-3), while Yao Ming finished with 20 points and 12 rebounds, and Cuttino Mobley added 19 points.

The 19-year-old Bosh had easily his biggest game of his young NBA career, hitting two big shots late in regulation as the Raptors battled back from a seven-point fourth-quarter deficit. The Raptors rookie connected on a short jumper with 32 seconds left, then the huge three-pointer with 7.2 seconds left to send the game into extra time that had the crowd of 19,547 — just shy of a sellout — screaming.

Bosh had a nifty reverse layup in the first five-minute overtime period, then two key free throws with 39 seconds left that put the game into a second overtime period tied 89-89.

Bosh's putback on a miss by Davis with 33.7 seconds left in the second overtime frame put Toronto up 96-93, and the youngster grinned broadly as he walked back to the bench for a time-out, his teammates slapping him on the back. Bosh added four free throws in the final 25 seconds to seal the win for Toronto.

Bosh, the No. 4 pick in the 2003 NBA draft, shot 7-for-11 from the field, went 10-for-10 from the charity stripe, and added nine rebounds.

And he couldn't have picked a better day to have his best game.

The Rockets, who boast the stingiest defence in the NBA, did a decent job of shutting down Carter, who's fourth in the league in scoring, and had contributed 33 per cent of the team's scoring going into Sunday.

The Raptors star guard, with Mobley and a various assortment of other Rockets draped on him like wet jerseys for most of the afternoon, didn't get his first field goal until an 18-footer at 7:31 of the third quarter. He added another long jumper the next trip down the floor, but shot just 4-for-20 from the field.

Carter added nine assists and five rebounds.

For perhaps the first time this season though, Carter's teammates picked up the scoring slack with five Raptors finishing in double figures. Milt Palacio, shouldering much of the point guard minutes in place of struggling Alvin Williams, added 12 points.

The Raptors, coming off a dismal 0-3 Western road swing, outshot the Rockets, shooting 42 per cent from the field to Houston's 37 per cent. Houston held a narrow edge in rebounds though, grabbing 44 boards to Toronto's 42.

The outing lacked much of the hype of Yao's visit to the ACC last season, when thousands of Toronto's 400,000-plus Chinese community turned out to see the seven-foot-six sensation from Shanghai.

Still, there were 35 members from the Chinese media accredited for the game, and a pro-Yao crowd cheered every time the sophomore centre touched the ball.

The game also marked the first time Raptors coach Kevin O'Neill and Rockets bench boss Jeff Van Gundy — long-time friends — have coached against each other.

Houston shot just 21 per cent in the opening quarter and a pair of free throws by Carter, his only points in the frame, gave Toronto a 24-16 lead to end the first.

The Raptors led by 10 twice in the second quarter, but the Rockets ended the period on a 16-9 run capped by a three-point play by Mobley with 2.6 seconds left. Toronto held a narrow 40-37 at halftime.

The Rockets outscored Toronto 24-19 in the third quarter to take a 61-59 lead on a pair of free throws by Mobley into the final frame.

Notes: The Raptors have yet to sell out a game this season . . . The Rockets (80.4 points per game) and Raptors (82.6) ranked No. 1 and 2 respectively in the NBA in fewest points allowed going into Sunday's game . . . The Raptors host Allen Iverson and the Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday.

 

Can we trade Steve Francis for Baron Davis? I know Baron shoots a lot too, just like Steve, but he passes more than Steve!

 

That's what I would like to know. Anyone can pass to Yao. Enough with the excuses Yao's not open. Yao will pass it out when he's not open.

 

you can't beat any sense into francis. when it's FRANCHISE time, it's FRANCHISE TIME! AND ONE BABY! AND ONE!

 

Yao wasn't shooting well? 6-12 is 50% Steve wasn't turning it over alot casue he wasn't passing. Cat had 6 TO also but that didnt stop him from getting the ball and shooting but he had 4 assists of the 11. Nice excuses and blaming not giving him the rock because he turn it over. Shouldnt that be teh same as saying if Steve can't shoot(which he shots badly tonight) but that didn't keep him from shooting more and missing more. That's what sad when your Guard control teh rock and there notthing you can do about it.

 

VC had 9 assists and Raps had 22 assists.(41% for the game)

don't forget VC is a sf and sf is a pg.

 

That may look good, but his last shot came as the Rockets had already lost (no Defense on him with 3 sec to play).
Also, i'd have to watch the tape again, but my guess is that he got a couple more buckets on dunks and putbacks.
His outside shot was not falling. I can still hear the ball clang on the rim from that first quarter...

Granted Francis shot much worse, but it was a team loss. They all sucked. Getting Yao the ball more would probably not have mattered.

Rockets simply did not deserve to win.

 

I like the trade. I doubt the Honests like it. I will be happy if we trade steve for any decent PG in the league..

 

Better get used to it. There's a lot more dumbass basketball yet to be played until the trading starts.

 

That's part of the Raptors' plan. They don't want to see a high percentage guy like Yao to take shots; They don't mind Stevie throwing up 27 bricks.

 

Well, i'm off...hopefully we can play better tomorrow...but it doesn't look good after a double OT loss...

 

Assists are a misleading stat in that an assist is recorded only if your pass leads directly to the, completely discounting the pass before or the pass before that. You can't take it by itself, it must be seen in context of the season that particular player is having and having watched 8 of our 9 games, I think SF is doing OK, perhaps trying to do too much, perhaps not trusting enough, but its foolish to think that our whopping 3 losses are completely on his shoulders.

I think our 5-1 start really got people thinking we're better than we actuallly are right now. We still suffer from some incredible mental lapses, we still don't react to pressure, and Yao still isn't reliable in the post BUT we have improved significantly from last season and will continue to do so. Despite whats being I said, I do think Mobley and Francis are giving JVG's system a fair shake, especially Mobley, who has look to be more of a playmaker (in a team context) than I've ever seen him. These guys have been given the run of the yard for 4 years, I don't see them giving up that freedom or learning trust just like that. But they will learn and it will happen much, much, much sooner rather than later.

So in sum, the sky ain't falling so shut your hole and know your role. Jabronies

 

Anybody here remember the last game from the previous season playing against Toronto? In the final minutes of that game, both teams scores were so damn close, but Rudy T asked the folks to do the offense thru the big fella, and so Yao took over in the 4th quarter, scored 13 points in that period and put away the Raptors. Unfortunately, that didn't happen today during the 2 overtime. Basically too much perimeter shots that coulda been done inside.