ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Mavericks 11/13/2003

JVG has to reconsider, SF is a 2 not a 1 and most of all Yao is not Patrick and never will be. Why take his face up game away. Yao is deadly off the base line at 18'. Patrick needs to teach Yao low post footwork with Pat pressuring him in the post. Attempting to change Yao's attitude especially in the press is just wrong and setting Yao up for failure. A trade for a real point would help. How about 50% of the perpetual trade Dallas has on the table with the Knicks? Charlie Ward, at this time would be the right guy. He knows JVG and he will certainly slow down the game and distribute the ball at the Right time to the Right player. This would allow JVG through a seasoned 1 to teach the position and philosophy. On the offensive end switch Cato and Yao. Let Yao face up on the base line as you teach him post up moves (footwork and positioning). On the defensive end does it really matter who guards the other teams PF Yao or Cato. I do think Cato in the paint has better reaction to a point comming in than Yao, and Yao could become a good help side defender giving him less foul trouble in the paint. Now Yao is set up to be a winner instead of being the reason for a loss. I know the ball needs to go through Yao but that does not have to be 2' from the basket. I don't ever remember that being Hakeem's game in fact his baseline fade away opened up the paint for others as he draws the center away from the paint. Now Steve or Cat or Norris or Cato can roll t the basket.

The bottom line is trying to put round pegs in square holes is a bad idea no matter who tries it, Campo with the Cowboys or JVG with the Rox. Patrick can be a big help to Yao with technique and experience, but no one should be trying to take away the skills that made Yao the #1 pick last year. However, adding to those talents is a win for all, especially the Rox.

Like Marbury said "Hey man, I just hoop."


Later
HLV
t2k

 

Another point. I can sense that when Yao's teammates are on the floor with Yao. They are thinking, "Yao should be doing this. Yao should be doing that, and etc." Whereas they should be thinking, "How can I get the ball to Yao where HE wants it? How can I play to Yao's strength?"

Of course, this is not true for all Rockets players. I think Jim Jackson does a good job of playing to the strength of his teammates.

On the other hand, there is Steve Francis. He's a natural leader, and wants to be in charge of everyone on the court. But what he doesn't realize is that the true leader is a servant! The true leader needs to understand his teammates very well and thus elevate each and every one of his teammates. Just think Jason Kidd. He's a true leader.

J

 

Barkely made a interesting point and amazingly I'd have to agree with him....

Steve Francsis is really a scoring guard a la Allen Iverson and not really a point guard. He is thinking score first and by the time he decides to pass the passing window has passed. A traditional point will definately help the rockets.

other thoughts

I don't think we should get too down about this game...Mavs were just deeper and I think that advantage in talent really showed last night...when you can go Walker, Jameison, Nowitski, Nash, and Finley and your oppoent can only counter with Norris, Bradley, and Braggs....ouch...and Cato cannot and should not guard a player like walker on the perimeter. the rockets just didn't have good match ups with this deep mavs team.

plus the mavs can really shoot the rock and they shot well...and the rockets didn't shoot well...nothing you can do about that.

Yao, didn't play well...he looked really uncomfortable and sometimes confused against the zone and he settled way too much for the jumper.

 

Good Post, I say that's one area Rudy actually did great. He design his offense and let Yao MIng ease into his role.

 

That was one of the ugliest game that I ever had the displeasure of watching. We played bad D and Steve Nash was left to do whatever the hell he wants, makes you wonder where the perimeter D is. And Yao couldn't swat those shots like he could of.

On O I reminded y'all it was dangerous to milk our hot streak long before this game remember? I pointed out that Cat was getting waayyyyyyyyy too confident with his shots, many of which not smart ones and the team over all are shooting more 3's, despite being open. Well, you see what happens. As soon as our shooting streak ends and returns to normal we suck.

In general I'm not surprised we lost this game cuz the Mavs are the better team right now. And quite frankly we don't deserve to win this game. However, a side of me keeps wondering what would happen if the freakin' refs didn't screw us over.

PS. I think Yao didn't swat shots cuz he was afraid the fouls being called on us left and right.

 

damn! i was pretty close on this one....

 

It seems we can't defeat Dallas by nature

1. They can have 5 excellent perimeter shooters on court, while we don't have enough good defenders to shut them down or overshoot them.

2. We average 18.7 TOs. They are good at fastbreak.

3. Yao can't beat them inside currently.

Let's see what will happen on next meet.



Good luck for tonight's game on Suns

 

great post texican2K. i'm kinda disappointed that yao's medium range game has completely disappeared too.

 

That one was tough to take, I hope they have something left for the Suns tonight.

 

Why quote Barkley he just jumped onto the Bandwaggon. Yetti has been saying the same thing for 18months on this very same Forum and has received abuse for doing so!

 

Rasselas thinks that you're being a little tough on Barkley. Last year he was just one of many, many, many people who doubted Yao. He was wrong. And he admitted it. Quite publically. Since then, he has been a Yao supporter. To say that he "just jumped onto the bandwaggon" is like saying the rest of the basketball world just jumped on the bandwagon.

 

really
i still think francis is a point guard. there aren't alot of traditional PG. (atleast i didn't hear the words True pointguard)
name a few. please do not say snow. because i only wil trade moochie for him. Francis can be a good passer. he is learning. he needs to trust his teammates more.

 

Watching this game i can see it woud have been winable only if we had a real PF, we really do need Mo T bak or any1 else at that, the match ups just wernt there. Cato cant play D at the 3 point line! Props to Cato im not bashing him at all just not a good match up in this situation you should start Mo T and give him the min. while letting Cato bak up Yao on the bench, IMO This would have been winnable

 

"Couldnt beleive what i saw in texas?;:

Hey guys ive been around this forum for while i know a little about basketball. But what i saw yesterday frustrated me so much that i hadto screaam YAO ming,.,,its not his fault or JVG's fault or STeves or Cutinos its that our gaurds arent used to having a shaq type player there not used to lobing a pass to a true center so if they front yao its over and when he is posting up they barely feed him the ball oh my i am mad JVG call a time out and scream at STEVE and CUTINO ...

EXample: last three shots in the 2nd quater yao had a basket, 2pts at the ft line and an assit... because he touched the ball 3 times...

first 6 mins in the second he doesnt touch the ball its incredible gdam pass the ball to him his 7'5..

 

Fantastic point! I have been wondering the exact same thing for two seasons now. Last year I could have swore that RudyT was trying to turn Yao into Hakeem. This year they appear to be trying to clone him into Patrick Ewing.

That is simply not the sole dimension to his game which is why you'll see opposing teams collapse their defenses on him and dare the other players to play smart ball to win. And with notoriously dumbass players like Francis and Mobley handling the ball the majority of the time, that's simply not going to happen on a consistent basis. They are now at the level of a very good Eastern Conference team. They are no where near the level of the top teams in the Western Conference. Expect this to be a constant theme over the course of the season.

 

The problem isn't just the guards, Yao needs to be more aggressive.

But our gaurds aren't the best passers, that's for sure. I'd like us to pick a passing point guard up and say bye bye to Moochie.

 

i agree, sometime the guards are trying to get the ball to the post, and yao ming is inexplicably running to the other side of the lane, that's why he doesn't get the ball all the time. i mean i was like c'mon what are you doing?

that said, there was a couple of times when he had decent positions and the pass wasn't thrown.

and then there was a couple of times when the pass was thrown but then the person guarding him pokes it away from behind, i guess that's a combination of him not holding on to it and the pass not being better positions.

 

Don't have time to read through all the posts, but here are my observations from the game yesterday. First off, the AAC is is much nicer than Toyota Center. It's typical Dallas, just know they paid like twice as much, given both those owners. If the Rockets don't figure out a way to neutralize the freaking pick and roll, Dallas can get any shot it wants in the half-court set. Nash always ran PNR on Yao and Cato, and he got to the basket almost at will. Totally leaving our interior defense exposed. He got to choose between shooting a layup or tossing it back out to a wide-open three pointer when the help came. I saw it all last year, and now again last night. We need to figure it out here soon. Oh yeah, if you get a chance, check out the article written in the DMN by former Rockets beat writer Eddie Sefko. Bitter, bitter man. Article complete with an Undertaker reference. Brilliant stuff, no wonder Blinebury still has a job in Houston and this dude doesn't.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...ries/stories/111403dnspomavslede.26be6fe.html

 

WOW, verse, are you a genius or something? Quite nice prediction, Bingo.

 

Verse,

Ever considered coaching as a new career?

Very impressed by this post.