JVG says the team is fragile and Steve say not one bit.

DearRock,

I can already see that you have a built in excuse if we don't finish Top 4. Is Steve going to be this year's "clueless" target??

 

I doubt you have been following this team for as long as I have..so dont even think you can insinuate I havent seen it all.

as for the Vancouver situation..that was 5 years ago.
If there were repeated occasions that you could point to that show that he hasnt outgrown his earlier immaturity, I would conced that point.

but there isnt.

You are assuming that he will always be like he was as a rookie when it comes to personal growth.

I have seen nothing to make me think he isnt at least tryin to do what is asked of him.

 

This thread is a stupid joke. Steve is "continu[ing] to defy" his coach? Really? Have you been at team meetings or something so you can tell us all about his previous acts of defiance?

I can only imagine the thread you would have started if Steve had said "Yes, Jeff is right, we are extremely fragile and will shatter into a thousand pieces if pressure is applied to is"

 

How many of you have watched the Steve's last game as a maryland player in the NCAA tournament against St. Johns's zone? Steve absolutely went panic against the zone and he touted St. John's player that he would make millions of dollars even if he lost that day. Maryland ended up losing.

After so many years, he still could not figure out the zone.

 

JVG has clearly lost control of this team.

 

I would not go that far. But based on past incidence that I have followed since he was drafted, it is not easy to convince Francis. He always stick to his own way; and that is his character.

Mind you, it does not mean he is not a good player; nor does that mean he will not change. Iverson is also defiant; but he demonstrated that he can play team ball and eventually learn that he cannot carry the team by dribbling. Be patient, Francis will come along.

 

i tought a-train was the most sarcastic poster

 

DAMN, JVG really knows his ****, i was thinking that the whole time when i was watching the game , as im sure alot of others were too, and he said it! I dono what Steve is thinking they jacked alota shots up and dribbled around to much when they couldnt get a open look due to frustrations, IMO

 

Its funny that JVG knows what emotional stability champions need, since he doesn't have one in the NBA either.

 

Steve is a great player and I am not a Steve basher but he is right they didn't play fragile.

He played STUPID Yao was open for the entry pass so many times and easy enough to where I could have thrown the pass into him and Steve just overlooked him again and again.

For this team to suceed Steve and Yao need to feed off each other and it's not going to happen this way.

Come on Steve play like the great player you can be.

 

"I don't think I saw guys frustrated. We got the shots that we wanted. We just weren't knocking them down."

You know, this statement sounds ALL TOO FAMILIAR!!! How many times did we hear this statement last season??? Pssst...Steve, does this sound familiar.....no excuses!!


"The way you go about it when you're not knocking down shots, is to play tougher defense. They were getting a lot of easy looks."

So....the way you do it is play tougher defense. BUT, they were STILL getting a lot of easy looks. C'mon Steve, am I the only one that sees the contradiction here? Gee, you know that you have to play tougher defense, but they're still getting open easy looks? I'm no expert, but that sounds like discombobulation to me? In other words, you guys fell apart. In other words, you guys became frustrated.


But he did not agree with the term "fragile."

"When they were making shots, I don't think guys were focused enough defensively to put a stop to it," Francis said.


Ummmm...Steve? You just did it again. Not focused enough = Too Frustrated!!!!! Get a clue. At least keep your statement consistent, don't argue your point by proving your own point wrong!!!!! Sheeesh. You just proved that the team is indeed FRAGILE! (Not that we didn't know this already)

 

Nice logic. Same could'a been said for Rudy before he won his TWO championships.

 

That has NOTHING to do with whether or not he knows what emotional stability is required of champions. He's been a coach for a long long time. If anyone knows what's required it's him, since he's been with several teams, seen players (young and old) come and go, been mentored by the some of the best in the league (Riley, Nelson), and did make it to the NBA finals with a mediocre team!!!

Steve, on the other hand, has never come close and speaks from a players perspective. He looking from the inside. JVG is looking from the outside-in. JVG has perspective. Steve has no clue!! So dammit, listen to your coach!!!

 

Nice logic, the same can be said for any championship winning coach until they win one.

I don't have a problem with criticism, just don't reference championships in your criticism unless you have one yourself.

 

I did not realize that players were unable to have an opinion different than the coach with out it being defiant.

Made they should have asked the Steve BOBBLEHEAD
he would have agreeed


Rocket River

 

Right. And don't reference slam dunks in your posts if you can't perform a dunk yourself.

 

I am not the coach who has to maintain a relationship with my players.

 

Unless you're having a difference in opinion just for the sake of having a difference in opinion. I think most people watching the game saw that they were becoming frustrated (playing soft D, inability to peneterate the zone, dribble-mania, taking ill-advised long range jumpers and billions of threes). Steve's comment going against his coach, in this instance, was pretty much a slap in the face. "Coach, you don't know what you're talking about. I was on the floor, so I know. I don't think I was frustrated, so of course that means the rest of the team wasn't either."

 

Yao Ming is not a Traditional Center, Steve Francis is not a Traditional Point Guard.We fans and JVG still thinks that they can be moulded into something they are not. Jvg needs to go back to the drawing board and use the strengths of each player to its potential. Steve is not a Play Maker, he is a scorer, diverting him away from doing what he does best is detrimental to the Team. We need a Playmaker. Yao Ming because of his mind set and culture will never be the banging NBA Center like the fans are urging him to be.Infact I would give Yao Ming and Cato the reverse roles. Kelvin Cato would become our Defencive Center and Yao Ming would become our Scoring Power Forward , this would enable Yao Ming greater flexability in shot selection and positioning, it could lead to mismatches. If Yao Ming gets double teamed then the dunking Center Cato would become effective under the basket.Of course this would be depending on the Rockets finding someone who is a playmaker and a good passer.