[Woj] Carmelo Anthony open to waiving no-trade clause for Rockets or Cavaliers

As much as I like Melo here he is what he is.....he has flaws and he is 33...so do not plan with him in 2, 3 years.

He will play one year or two and try win his ring somewhere else.

 

Melo is an over rated POT. Love brings way more to the table. Younger, better 3 point shooter, better rebounder, better defender and better teammate. I don't like either but to suggest old melo who has accomplishes nothing in NY as the man who got to Chuck up shot after shot is better than Love is idiotic.

 

Think about this from Gilbert's perspective too, as he must be hands on right now in trade talks.

Let's say you trade Love and get Melo. If it's a 3-way trade, maybe you get Melo and something else.

Now you're sitting on Melo and Lebron. One of which is an FA next offseason, the other has a player option in their final year. If they walk, what you're left with is an overpaid Tristan Thompson, JR Smith and Kyrie Irving. No draft picks. No young prospects. No cap space till 2020. Kyrie has not looked like a guy who can carry the heavy part of a franchise on his own.

It's just not a better situation for them. I suspect what's going on with their GM situation has a lot to do with Lebron James demanding that flexibility. He wants Melo and he wants more additions (i.e. things like maybe trading Shumpert and yet another pick for an upgrade), and he wants the flexibility to walk next offseason even if it wrecks the franchise.

Lebron has lofty goals and no one is more determined to achieve their goals. Look no further than the fact that he was willing to leave the Cavs the first time around to show you this guy is willing to leave things in ruins to get what he wants. Cavaliers offered him the best chance to dominate, it was not just a coming back home thing. He wants a few more rings and he is already 32. He wants to make more money as a brand. IF Ingram and Ball look great and George joins the Lakers, him joining them would go a long way towards taking a strong stab at the Warriors title, Curry and Durant's brands, and not having to heavily carry a team so late in his career. If you have Lebron, George, Ball and Ingram - you could even realistically make a play for WB dangling Ingram or Ball as an incentive. It's a realistic possibility. I'm not saying he's decided to do this, I'm saying the Cavaliers franchise has to consider the possibilities.

So I'm not sold that the Cavs are happy to trade Love for Melo. I know Hayes, SAS and a couple of others have said it. But I don't think Gilbert is on board. I think Lebron has told people he wouldn't mind it. If Gilbert has half a brain here, he will convert Love into the best draft pick he can find + a good role player. He should then offer that pick + Shumpert/Frye/filler contracts to the Knicks. This way he stays in control of his own picks (in case he needs to tank later), gives Lebron what he wants and gets something more than Melo out of trading Love. Knicks would eventually accept that offer, if we haven't gotten a favorable return on Anderson yet.

I think Gilbert is an idiot and Lebron is sometimes non-strategic in his disrupting the team. They don't have a GM who should be guiding these decisions. They let a good guy go, and Billups obviously didn't like what he saw. I think it's bullshit that he stayed with ESPN for money. He is not going to delay his chosen career, there are few better opportunities than your first job being GM of a contender. The politics there are toxic.

But that's bad for us because stupidity and toxicity means, they might actually be stupid enough to straight up offer Love for Melo, screwing their own chances/future, and screwing our chance at Melo. I hope the Knicks give up sooner rather than later. If Dolan does in fact love Melo, surely he will not hold him hostage too long. I'm hoping Hayward's decision and the subsequent dominos is all the Knicks are waiting for. Maybe then they just take the best deal, and hopefully that deal is Anderson and our lotto protected 2020 pick.

 

Unless they buy him out we have very little chance now since they have no interest in Eric let alone Ryno.No third team will get involved either since Andersons contract is so bad.

 

FOE:

Just like his close friends/fellow stars, The Flash will begin to insert himself into power. Don't underestimate a reunion with LBJ after a buyout. The Bulls are rebuilding. Dwayne is on an island by himself without his boy Rondo and Jimmy .

When he starts pushing for his moment, it will influence Melo and KLove immediately.

 

too bad we couldnt get the Celtics involved with Ryno if Hayward doesnt work out for them.....

 

If Wade goes to Cleveland after a buyout, does that make Carmelo more likely to go there? Or does he prefer his chances with us? Or would we get Love in a 3-way trade?

 

Buyout a foregone conclusion?

Is there turmoil in the banana boat? Sounds like Wade wants to flex some muscle in the boat after Paul has taken lead.

If it means we get Love, I don't mind one bit. I am not afraid of a Melo/Wade/LBJ/Irving line up AT ALL. I would argue that's actually a worse Cavs team than last season. Dwayne Wade's 18 points on 16 shots and zero lateral quickness isn't winning that team a ring, it's just going to alienate Irving.

We would demolish that team if we got Love in the process.

 

The second it looks like we wont be getting melo, everyone starts turning bitter around here and hating on the possible acquisition. Its just funny to see the groupthink in action

 

Unless he gets a buy out I think are chances are done

 

If Melo gets bought out, he is going to Cleveland.

We only have a chance in a trade.

 

With Bron sending Billups and Jimmy away from Cleveland. I think we just wait for the buyout if the knicks dont want to trade.

 

Both Melo and Lebron are going to leave the Cavs anyway next summer...i was try to think about their possible destinations and yeah, Clippers are out, Lakers will be able to sign a couple of superstars, but those are probably going to be George and Cousins, or Westbrook...the Knicks are a pathetic organization, winning in NY might be a great challenge, but i don't see Melo go back there, and guys like Lebron and Paul are smart, they know they would've more chances here, Houston is still a big city, great market, it's certainly not Cleveland, and we would give them a better core than any other possible landing spot...add that to me, we didn't even try to get Millsap or Blake, and that's probably cause Paul and Lebron already talked about playing together here, yeah, i think there's a really good chance that's going to happen next summer. Lebron, Paul, Melo, Wade, they'll be all free agents, if the Warriors are going to kick everyone ass again this season, i can see them wanting to play together and with Harden in a good organization like the Rockets to screw the Warriors, even if that would cost them some money, that would be their last big challenge.

 

The Rockets really should try to win as much as they can , hopefully put up a good fight in WCF, then every top FAs would be seriously considering here.

 

If Wade goes, Melo goes. I'd be happy with Love as our third star. He's won a ring in that role as a watered down version of himself. But with 3/4 of the boat there it almost assures CP3 will be a one year rental. And if that's true we paid wayyyy too much for a one and done. Please tell me I'm wrong.

 

i think Love would be a better fit for Houston than Melo. While neither player is gonna pull down defensive player of the year anytime soon, Love is at least a prolific rebounder. One of the things i've become more cognizant of, is how important it is to limit a team like GS to one shot per possession; can't give them second shots. Which means we have to dominate the boards. Love can do that much better than Melo, without much of a drop in shooting production.

 

Well, if Wade and Melo end up in Cleveland this summer. And CP3 next summer ... what happens with Irving? I don't see that guy stay there, he might force a trade if the Banana crew is in town.

 

but i think we'd rather hold out for love.

once wade gets a buyout he goes to CLE. then melo will force a trade there. love shakes loose (as @Codman likes to say "freebird"). the knicks don't want love because they have KP. we can take love but we have to find something to give the knicks. they don't want anderson for the same reason they don't want love.

a trade that makes sense to me is sending anderson to PHX. they need shooting in a starting five that features bled, jackson, and tyson. they need a mentor for criss and bender. they can afford ryno's salary while their young guys are on rookie contracts. here's what i think we can get:

knight - also on a big lengthy contract like ryno and underproducing. ryno would be a better fit an an upgrade for them.
warren - going into a contract year and got josh jackson starting ahead of him. they wont want to pay him next summer. better to trade him now. i'd add a future pick to get this done.

knight and warren would be a good get for the knicks if trading melo. they get another scoring SF who's young and fits with KP. hey'd pay him next summer too. knight is a good fit because they need a PG and another scorer. if the knicks insist on getting a first, i'd give them the pick instead of PHX and offer the suns the TPE to take dudley off their hands. he's actually a great fit on our team anyway and the suns might find some value in TPE guys like nanu and taylor.

 

just as long as we aren't taking back Knight. He sucks.

 

if paul wants to join the banana boat in cleveland i'd trade him straight up for irving. i wouldn't mind getting younger. keep the window open for a few more years.

but if we get love from them this summer so melo can join... then we can irving next summer so paul can join... we'd basically be the cavs. capela is thompson, ego is jr, ariza is shump...