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[Woj] Carmelo Anthony open to waiving no-trade clause for Rockets or Cavaliers

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Jul 3, 2017.

  1. brewer's goat

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    Care to provide numbers or objective evidence that support your argument? Is there one stat that puts Melo ahead of Harden? One?
     
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    Harden is not a poor defender... He has his mental lapses, but he's not terrible. He was actually decent last season...and in many instances, he was pretty clutch on the defensive end. No way you could have watched the games and thought differently.
     
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  3. Robert Kogut

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    If Melo will come to Houston -> next season 67 (or more) wins in my humble opinion. But we have to keep Capela.
     
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  4. brewer's goat

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    I think Westbrook is the ultimate example of why his argument doesn't make sense
     
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    Bring him on. Playing for a contender might be the thing that lights a fire under his ass.
     
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    Wow, this thread is pretty rough on Anthony. I wouldn't put all of the Knicks struggles on him. They haven't given him much to work with. If you go up and down that NYK roster, it would be pretty hard for any coach to make that work. . . Limited PGs--imagine trying to make Rose and Brandon Jennings work, not great SGs, a young talent in KP and a few other young players + CA. And they can't decide on their style of play. It's just a mess.

    I think people forget how versatile CA really is. He can score on the block, has a great jumper, is smooth off the dribble, draws fouls, gets to the line, can average 3 or more assists per game. And he's been doing all that with limited help.

    Now the bad news is that his footwork is terrible on defense. He offers almost zero rim protection, and CA doesn't really block any shots (his block rate is lower than Ariza's for comparison sake). Is this the kind of person that helps us to the next level?

    And does CA want the grind of playing power forwards? Is he willing to do the dirty work of matching up with Draymond Green or even bigger players?

    Personally, I'd rather have Tobias Harris, if we could steal him from Detroit. He'd give us more athleticism at the forward spot. But if you can add Anthony and not mortgage the future, I'm okay with that.
     
  7. brewer's goat

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    Your English comprehension skill is truly atrocious. I'm saying if your offensive production is so great to the extent that it more than covers your defensive shortcomings, then you could be regarded as an 'overall elite' player. Harden last season had overwhelmingly positive impact when he was on the court. Melo did not; his offense was not good enough to COMPENSATE for his defense. Do you not understand?
     
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    I think it's more geared towards the people that think melo is elite. he's not. regardless of what people think of the situation in NY, he obviously can't be the best player on a wining team there.

    Can he be a pretty good player still? Yes, especially in a better role at this stage of his career. Supporting cp3/JH would be a pretty ideal fit imo and could provide life to his career once again.
     
  9. brewer's goat

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    It's not being rough, just stating objective truth. We're comparing one player who finished 2nd in MVP, made 1st-team All-nba, and led his team to 55 wins in a regular season and 2nd round in the Western P.O. to a guy who didn't even make All-nba team and Eastern playoffs.

    If you look at 100 stats, all 100 of them have Harden >>>>> Melo, I'm not even kidding. There is no comparison here.
     
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    But you're talking efficiency. WB was HIGHLY inefficient last year. The Knicks were worse than OKC and were running a outdated triangle offense. If your team sucks, in a sucky system, other teams will focus on you and you're efficiency will fall. Melo's skillset is elite and will get WAY better looks in MDA's system. Don't be silly
     
  11. brewer's goat

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    You don't understand the concept of plus-minus do you? A player's true impact can be actually measured by how much the team is better off when that player is on the court. Melo doesn't do very well by that metric, whereas WB and Harden's numbers are elite. Melo actually doesn't do very well in almost every metric.
     
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    http://www.chron.com/sports/rockets...or-Rockets-11262886.php?cmpid=twitter-desktop

    Anthony played for Rockets coach Mike D'Antoni with the Knicks and though there was friction in D'Antoni's final season in New York, D'Antoni would welcome a reunion, a person familiar with the Rockets' thinking said last week.​

    If they were to add Anthony, the Rockets would, however, seek to play him as a power forward, with Trevor Ariza and new addition P.J. Tucker at small forward. The Rockets have not seemed optimistic about a deal for Anthony with the prospect of Tucker playing at both forward spots a large part of their conversations before agreeing to a three-year, $34 million deal.​

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    MacMahon: Including Ariza in a trade? Not something the Rockets would be willing to do.
     
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    you know Melo has played for MDA before right?
     
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    JR the ESPN of Clutchfans
     
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    Height!
     
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    ...and that - - reportedly - - both are over that time and would happily embrace this new time. Reportedly.
     
  17. brewer's goat

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    Melo's numbers when he was playing for Denver isn't very good either. Even during his prime, Melo never made 1st team All-nba and was never considered a serious MVP candidate. Why are people suddenly overestimating this guy? Melo doesn't need to be 'elite' in order to help this team win. He's gonna be the third wheel behind Harden & CP3 anyway, that's where he belongs.
     
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    Melo isn't going to the Cavs. He is still too good to be a role player. But if he comes here, he can thrive as a starter. However, i am still not sure if we have enough assets to offer to the knicks
     
  19. Streets 01

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    Rockets "not optimistic" about a deal with Anthony. Sad face.
     
  20. hakeemthagreat

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    Ofcourse. How long ago was that? MDA also coached the Lakers too. He eventually came here and won COY. Funny how things change with different organizations
     
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