Lefties are pushing for a Watergate and all they are getting is a Birther/Benghazi at this point. And the beautiful irony is the whole Russia story is rooted from their unethical behavior colluding with the media. Vendetta's do not end well if one is walking around with an unloaded weapon.
I don't recall Benghazi needing a special counsel, just a dog and pony show with many do nothing committees. Why are the righties and their media already trying to discredit Mueller if there's nothing to worry about.... ? Seems like there is a clear directive to cast shadows over the legitimacy of Mueller's findings if they turn out to be against Trump. Very telling.
Whether or not Trump colluded with Russia, doesn't change the fact that Russia tried to interfere in the election. I didn't respond to your post about Trump. I responded based on your idea that Russians are our allies and that the Russians think it's ridiculous that the media tries to stir up made-up controversy between the two nations. Your whole posit about leaks is grossly inaccurate. We now know because of testimony that in fact, Putin himself ordered the efforts to sabotage our election. That wasn't leaked prior to this. It was held tightly despite the FBI knowing all about it. I realize that there have been leaks, but the idea that everything has been leaked has been proven false. Of course, the narrative some in the media are following won't ever admit that. Here is a crazy flow chart of the evidence we know about with Russia, and the reaction of many Trump supporters on this bbs. 1. The claim comes out that Russia tried to interfere with the election. ------ Trump supporters react that the DNC was hacked but that doesn't mean that it was Russia that did it. It could have been anyone. The hack wasn't sophisticated it was mere fishing attempts which fooled those idiots at the DNC and Podesta. 2. The declassified version of the intelligence report is released. The report presents evidence that not only was it hacking into the DNC computers, that there was also a concentrated effort with paid propagandists and planting of fake news stories. ------ Trump supporters seem to ignore this evidence and still claim there has been no evidence. A few supporters admit there is evidence that Russia interfered, but try and claim that the U.S. does the same thing (which is demonstrably false). Also, they say that stuff isn't good but it isn't as really bad since the Russians didn't hack into any machines or try and change actual votes. 3. There is now sworn testimony that Putin was captured actually ordering the espionage attacks and efforts to subvert the democratic elections of the United States. It also comes out that Russia not only hacked the DNC, Podesta, paid for the fake stories and propaganda agents to carry out spreading the falsehoods, but that RUSSIA did in fact, try to change the votes, or hack actual voting machines in almost every state in the union. None of that was leaked before. The Obama administration didn't release all of the information prior to the election because they wanted to make sure they weren't tipping the scales in favor of the Democrats. They could have brought huge attention to it, but opted not to do so. ------ Finally Trump supporters can't deny that Russia had an effort to undermine our democracy, but they keep saying that there is no evidence of collusion. That is all Trump supporters except for you. You are still claiming that Russia is our ally.
Wrong. What about Russia trying to hack actual voting machines in almost every single state of the Union has to do with DNC improper or unethical behavior?
IF it was Russia, and that's a big IF, because the FBI has not even been granted access to examine the DNC server (I wonder why), is it any surprise that they would favor the candidate open to working with them and strengthening diplomatic ties versus the one demonizing them and clamoring for a prelude to war? And regardless of whether Russia was involved or not (and we still don't know that, despite the intelligence report put together by the deep state holdovers. The FBI has not analyzed the DNC server. An analysis was supposedly performed by a company called Crowdstrike, which is run by Google-connected globalists. I guess we're just supposed to trust that they don't have an agenda), the crux of the issue is whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. And on that, there is absolutely zero evidence. Regardless, I have no doubt that Mueller will drag his feet on this investigation so as to ensure it hangs over the Trump presidency as long as possible. I hear he is still hiring staff, putting together a budget, and securing office space. Seriously, it has been weeks/months already.
Couple of questions. 1. What experience do you have with FBI level investigations and how long they take? 2. Didn't the GOP, Trump's own party, approve of Mueller as the right man to be an objective arbiter on this matter?
Just stop, you aren't going to get an honest answer and logic will not make it past the welded on trump blinders. He is attempting to discredit our intelligence organizations, who all agree and confirm that the Russians actually hacked our election, with references to the deep state. That is literally all you need to know in order to not engage him in a serious discussion. Besides: Cowboys fan, need I say more?
Actually, we do know it was Russia. Not only do we know it was Russia we know that it was Putin himself that ordered it. We know that because of intercepted communications. You keep talking about the DNC server. That is only a minor part of the whole deal. They have confirmed that Russia tried to hack into the rolls at polling places, and tried to hack actual voting machines in almost every state in the union. That goes far beyond just the DNC server. We know for a fact that the Russians did this, and it has nothing to do with the made up concept of deep state holdovers.
How long do you think the Watergate investigation took? Heck... how long did the Benghazi investigation take? Weeks/months????
I put this article in a new thread as it isn't about Trump and Russia as much as it is about how the Obama administration tried to deal with the Russian active measures. Anyway, it is a good read: https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...utin-election-hacking/?utm_term=.bb9d17325f64
LOL...... why didn't Clinton, Bush Jr, or Obama have deep state left overs sabotaging them.....!?!?!??! Of course you do..... now that it looks like this special counsel is serious, you and your ilk have gone into discrediting mode.
Mueller is a super secret Deep State Democratic? So if I go back and look I will see you complain profusely over 4 years of Benghazi investigations which lead to nothing (but lighting 7 million dollars on fire). Snowflake much?
I don't know if it was a real quote, but in "All the President's Men" (the movie), an editor at the Washington Post tells his colleagues that a White House guy had asked him, "What is it with you guys (at the Post) and this Watergate obsession?" But they stuck it out and it turns out to have been very real. There's just way too much smoke in all this for there not to be a fire somewhere (and, no, the left didn't set the fire). Russia. Obstruction. Sure, from your vantage point in front of FOX "News", this is all bs. It could all be one massive, inexplicable, WTF, yeah-but-what-about? type of witch hunt coincidence.
Yep... the righties and their media are kicking into overdrive to discredit everything involved. They are definitely worried and getting their marching orders from their media.
Well who told Trump to hire individuals with questionable ties to dictators and Russian oligarchs? Seems like this is cause and effect brought about by Trump hiring the best people.
