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Which Side Is Trump On ?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, May 25, 2017.

  1. adoo

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    During his visit to Saudi land, the financiers of the 9/11 attack, Agent Orange was obsequious,
    politically correct, scared sh itless of mentioning 9/11 attack.

    NATO members, after the 9/11 attack had invoke Article 5 of the treaty, which effectively, says

    ''an armed attack'' against any of the allies in Europe or North America ''shall be considered an attack against them all.''
    It commits NATO members to take the necessary measures, including the use of force, to restore security.
    On his visit to NATO, Agent Orange scolds them, and intentionally vague on article 5


    which side is the MoFo on ?
     
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  2. arno_ed

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    His own. Always his own.
     
  3. daywalker02

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    Opportunist. Switches sides.
     
  4. dobro1229

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    He's always been on his own side and he's using the United States of America as a means to an end for "Trump" the persona to be bigger than country. It's truly terrifying and not sure any government has dealt with this before.

    Yes countries have dealt with horrible dictators but there was always a semblance of country. Even Putin's motives revolve around the idea of restoring Soviet dominance. Hitler had a vision for Germany... the darkest vision you can imagine but it was focused on nation.

    Trump is literally focused on a brand of a man that is above country and nation. There is no vision for country only Trump. A man so insecure just being president of the US isn't enough. He's still in it for more and more. He's the antithesis of everything wrong with mankind. God help us all.
     
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    russia's
     
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  6. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    The man is crazy. He's unstable and apt to do anything.
     
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  7. dobro1229

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    You want to know how dangerous Trump potentially is.... read this thread




    Europe and mostly the Baltic states are essentially preparing for war as Putin is signaling that he's gearing up hastily.

    Trump is the key to this being successful for Putin and is potentially putting the world at risk of going to war. You think it's just "liberals" overreacting think again. It's the whole F$&*ing world. Especially Europe.
     
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  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    If Russia invades Europe, it's the liberals fault.
     
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  9. Deckard

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    Let us all hope that both our NATO allies and Putin can weather trump's brutal stupidity. If Putin decides that he won't get a better chance at the Baltic states than he will now, while trump is still in office, he could miscalculate. We better hope he doesn't catch trump's unique brand of stupid. A Russian invasion of the Baltic states would be a shooting war between NATO and Russia. A disaster for everyone.
     
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    maybe not...NATO without the us backing might hesitate to protect baltic republics. one thing for sure Putin is a dangerous man
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Fight Facism
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    He only cares about money, not country, just money, he wants to line his own pockets.

    DD
     
  12. Brando2101

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    Russia wants to de-stablize Europe in order to avoid European unilateral opposition. It's like neither Putin or Trump have ever read a history book. A divided Europe brings the world to war. World War 1 is a perfect example of treaties between different webs of nations that directly led to a snowball effect that engulfed the world into the most physically grueling war. A quick run through:

    Austria-Hungary (1 Empire back then) invaded and controlled the Balkans which was mostly composed of Slavs. The Slavs persistently opposed the occupation and had unofficial alliances with their neighbor Serbia which was also composed of Slavs. Serbia hatched a plot to execute the heir to the Austria and succeeded. Germany was a major power and had one of the biggest populations in Europe after coming into existence just a few decades before. They had a strong alliance with Austria-Hungary and together, they sent an ultimatum to Serbia that they knew would not be accepted.

    However, Germany knew that Russia was a major protector of the Slavs and had an unofficial alliance. Russia also had an official allocate with France which was on the other side of Germany. This was especially problematic for Germany because Poland didn't exist at this time so Germany shared a border with both France and Germany.

    All of the generals in Europe were too stupid to realize that the weapons technology had advanced so much that a quick 19th century type war was over and the era of major ballistics and a willingness of countries to send millions and millions of troops to war meant you would have a never ending series of conflicts that just killed a bunch of soldiers.

    Russia started to mobilize an army out of cautions and Germany used that as an opportunity to declare war on Russia. Germany knew it would take Russia some time to mobilize and they knew that France was allied with the Russians. They issued a bullshit ultimatum for France while they sent their army to the french border. The German generals (which were eventually fired in the middle of the war) thought they could just walk over to Paris, defeat Paris and then be ready for a Russian invasion. Instead, trench warfare kept the conflict out of Paris (other than some long range artillery) in what is now known as trench warfare.

    The Germans needed to go through Belgium to get to France and Britain had an agreement with Belgium that they would go to war to protect Belgium neutrality since it acted as a border to Germany and the rest of Europe.

    The danger with a conflict like this isn't just dead bodies. It's complete overhaul of the world. The Germans sent Lenin to Russia which led to the formation of the Soviet Union. The British took Jewersulum and the British and French took the region of Mesopotamia from the Ottoman empire and eventually formed the political boundaries of the entire middle east and they did a **** job. All of the problems we have can be traced back to that. The empires in Germany, Austria Hungary and Russia fell. Russia and Germany lost a significant amount of land to both France and the re-formation of the nation state of Poland. Yugoslavia was formed to be a more powerful state to protect the interests of the Slavs. Austria-Hungary was split into separate countries and lost land to Czechoslovakia which could protect the interests of the chezc people, the long time Ottoman Empire was downsized to their more political capital in Turkey and the rest of the middle east was just left to politician interests to mine and organize.

    The League of Nations was suppose to be a union to prevent this from happening again but nations did not submit enough autonomy to the organization and commitment to the resources for it to have any power over countries in the area. Also, the United States didn't join and went into isolation only to be pulled back into war. The US has retained the role of Global Police which mostly consists of the US trying to say, "cut that **** out before it gets worse." They tried to stop the spread of communism because it became a world wide power capable of taking on everyone else which led to war against China, Korea, Vietnam and the 1st Iraq War. Second was was stupid and led to the 3rd one that we are currently in.



    TLDR: World War 1 is the single most important event that has ever happened in this world and we are headed back in that direction. People tend to attribute the start to just to the assignation of the Arch Duke but the real cause was a lack of European political unity and political occupations which step by step led to war. WW1 was inevitable for that reason. If it wasn't the assignation of the Arch Duke than it would be something else.
     
  13. Deckard

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    Mr. trump went out of his way to anger our closest allies and divide what is easily the world's most important alliance, NATO. He read a prepared speech! This wasn't "trump going rogue, running at the mouth, as usual." This was a deliberate attempt by trump to divide and weaken NATO. I wonder who wrote the speech? The 30-something Alt-Right punk that is one of his closest advisers? Could it have been the other, older lunatic, Bannon? One thing I do know, and I would bet money on it, is that trump didn't write that speech himself.

    The man has gone too far. A blatant attempt to divide and weaken NATO just may be what many Republicans in Congress simply cannot abide. It could be a true tipping point. There is no rational explanation for trump's behavior, both with the speech and his behavior towards the many European leaders who came to Brussels. None. Zero. The man is either a mentally unstable individual capable of anything, and without self-control, or he is fast becoming a traitor to the United States and our allies. In my humble opinion.
     
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  14. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Trump hates NATO because he confuses it with NAFTA. He doesn't know what either of the two do, but he is told by his handlers to oppose it. Can't blame the guy, there are a lot of acronyms that come with the job.
     

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