Simple question: do you think that people who promote the death penalty for apostates be charged with a crime? It is essentially a death threat: you leave the religion and we'll kill you.
Isn't threatening to kill someone a crime regardless....? I guess in this case it's a generalized/diffused threat, so it's not a crime?
If someone is threatening a particular individual for apostasy, it's already a crime here. A general theological adherence probably skates by. But, if you had a some imam that wasn't actually making trouble by essentially inciting violence from the pulpit, I don't think his freedom of religion or of speech would protect him from charges. Making specific legislation to criminalize it though isn't a very good strategy. Constituents in many religions will probably be worried about the slippery slope of legislatures weighing in on theology. It'd face constitutional challenges. It'd cause a lot of Muslim resentment. And, it will probably do very little in achieving concrete outcomes. I think existing law is already sufficient.
It reaches a crime if and when it's an actual acute threat. Otherwise, nearly every speech with any implied harm is a crime. As a recent and real example - Trump promoted killing families of terrorists. Is that's a crime? It's essentially a death threat - a family member of your is a terrorist and you are dead. Both are horrible and backward, but no, it's just that and not a crime.
Capital Punishment, as carried out by the state and determined by the court system, or promoting death penalty outside of that? If the former, then no. If the latter, then yes. Apostacy, or whatever other reason one has for asking for the death penalty, really has nothing to do with whether its a crime or not.
Yes. There is a fundamental discrepancy between Islam and Western society. There are things that are normal in Islam or are accepted, that are not accepted in our society. And the data/polls have shown that most Muslims think it is on society to accept their ways, when the exact opposite is true. Islam and Western society are oil and water, they don't mix...due to rules on how to treat women, or leaving the faith for example. I am not sure how this will resolve unless Muslims ignore some of the teachings of the prophet. DD
Again, what do you mean by "promoting death"? People are free to advocate for the death penalty for whatever action they consider a crime. Some people might think leaking NSA records is treasonous and deserving of the death penalty. I don't agree, but I don't call it a crime if they advocate for that position. We've already legitimized killing people as a form of punishment in our legal system. So how can you prevent open discussion on what qualifies for that punishment? Is it a crime for someone to advocate that blasphemers are jailed or pay a fine? No, for the same reason. If they are calling for extra-judicial killing, that's another matter.
It's a good point. May as well ask if advocating the death penalty for serial killers should be outlawed. I assume OP does mean extra-judicial killings though. In that, I still maintain existing law already has it covered.
Right. And if he's talking about extra-judicial killings, then its a crime regardless of whether its for apostasy or blaspheming or being a serial murder/rapist. So I don't really understand the point the OP is trying to make.
Let's say "promoting death" as "those who blasphemy should be punished with death". BTW, when did apostasy and blasphemy become crimes?
They aren't but here is another example where Islam is in contrast to civilized society. Make a cartoon of the Prophet - and watch the outrage. Make a cartoon of Jesus - watch the yawns. DD
If they are attempting to incite murder, then its a crime. Doesn't matter if its blasphemy or whatever. If they are calling for laws that criminalize it with the death penalty, that's not a crime no matter how misguided/sickening it may be to us.
