Connecting the Trump-Russia Dots

We do know some of what he did. We also know that he was a foreign agent even though he only recently retroactively applied.

 

I think it's possible that someone in the intelligence community, maybe Yates and maybe someone else, was concerned that Flynn's vulnerability to blackmail was a danger to the country, so they leaked his Russia leaks to destroy his career and get him out of the Whitehouse before there was opportunity for Russia to use him. In that light, if you want to be suspicious of Obama and Yates, maybe you can take the warning as a threat to Trump -- "if you appoint him, we'll destroy him." I can forgive the cynicism of that perspective because I take as dim a view of Trump and the depths of his moral abyss. I still don't have a problem with that because the leak is still motivated by a desire to remove a compromised official from government.

But, maybe you'll say Flynn wasn't really compromised. He just made some powerful political enemies and they're going after him for becoming a Trump supporter while serving the Obama administration, or because of bad blood that led to his earlier firing. But really? It seems like he really said he had no Russian connections when he actually did. Seems like he did lie about fitting the definition of foreign agent. Seems like he is vulnerable right now to prosecution on the facts of the case. So maybe Obama's crew really had it out for him for something personal. But, can you say he hadn't put himself in a vulnerable position as a high official who had lied about his dealings with foreign governments. Can you say he couldn't be blackmailed? And, if he could be blackmailed by Russia, isn't it a good thing he's not in high position. And, there was a leaker out there who committed a crime to out Flynn. Isn't that good for the country? It would have been so much better if Trump had elected not to appoint him.

 

So the Russians were going to blackmail Michael Flynn. Why? He's not very rich.

This was the best that Obama and Yates could do, and it wasn't very good. Make no mistake, I'm no fan of Flynn and am glad to see him gone, but Obama and Yates' attempt at blackmail/extortion/whatever, did not go over so well, in this case.

 

Oh, you are still buying into the idea with absolutely zero proof that Yates, and Obama tried to blackmail someone?

But you are correct it didn't go over well... it didn't go over at all because nobody besides you believes they tried to blackmail anyone. Giving a warning about someone isn't blackmail.

Flynn isn't very rich? Really? But even besides that, the Russians could threaten to ruin his career if he didn't do their bidding in the Trump administration. We do know that he was talking about sanctions when he wasn't supposed to be talking about them. We know all of this based on only some of what is known about Flynn.

What nobody but you realizes is that there was blackmail involved from Obama and Yates. Not even Trump or the VP or anyone else knows it. Only you.

 

These words you typed do not make sense.

The Russians wanted to turn Flynn so that Flynn would do their bidding or be exposed (and give Trump a serious scandal to deal with).

 

Thank you for proving my point FranchiseBlade.

 

So, I have to ask the obvious question, since FranchiseBlade was unable to answer: how does any of this connect any of these "Trump-Russia" dots?

 

I'm not sure what question you had prior to this one. This talks about Trump knowing ahead of time that Flynn was being paid by Putin's govt. and them possibly being able to use Flynn's activities against him for their own interest and Trump did nothing about it.

 

Your point was that we should all jump to the conclusion that Yates and Obama tried to blackmail Trump even though there is no evidence of that happening at all? Well, I'm happy to prove your point then.

 

Donald Trump still appointed a suspected (now known) foreign agent as National Security Advisor even after he had been warned, two days after the election, by his predecessor about this agent's unregistered actions on behalf of Russia and Turkey. Donald Trump still allowed this person to be NSA for 18 days, a duty that involved meeting with foreign leaders and "putting Iran on notice," even after the acting attorney general warned the president about this agent's conduct. He only fired this agent after it was reported that the agent spoke with the Russian ambassador about removing sanctions on Russia and lied about this conversation to the vice president.

Where on earth are you getting the accusation of blackmail from?

 

Don't you get it? You see here's what happened. Trump and Yates both warned Trump about Flynn being paid by the Russians and probably being a foreign agent. Now, do you see? It makes perfect sense.

 

Holy ****.

 

Wow. Using Comey's behavior in going rogue to make public statements about Clinton to fire Comey now is quite a tell. He did it once, he would do it again. Gotta shut down the investigations.

The letter from the Deputy AG cites both Comey's public statements about ongoing investigations into Clinton and his public statements the the investigations are closed as his offenses. The July and October offenses are tough for anyone to argue with. But we know those are convenient reasons for why fire him now.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/fbi-james-comey-fired-letter/index.html

 

A grand jury has subpoenaed associates of Michael Flynn per CNN.

Am I wrong, or is this the first confirmation that prosecutors have convened a grand jury against Flynn?

 

First confirmation and the timing of the firing is auspicious.

 

Can someone explain to me why all parties involved would not want a independent investigation? If you are not guilty of any wrong doing you should have absolutely nothing to lose.

Perhaps I don't understand (an almost certainty). Could there be other reasons Trump and his team would not want that even if they were guilty of nothing?

 

Please link this quote in response to the asinine false equivalency arguments we will get from the hard right and the "I didn't vote for trump but I'll defend everything he does and says because F YOU liberals!" Clutch Fans cabal.

 

A question we would all like to know--somebody get Ken Star on the phone! Lol

 

Lavrov acknowledges Comey fracas by quipping 'Was he fired?'

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-idUSKBN1861V4