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Dean: South should stop basing votes on "race, guns, God and gays"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Nov 6, 2003.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    That is the most stupid thing I've ever read! ... oh, whoops.
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You forgot the ;) because obviously he isn't smart enough to get it.
     
  3. bamaslammer

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    Andy,
    I'm wearing blinders? Would you characterize Colin Powell and Condi Rice as right wing extremists? I wouldn't. Why is there such an attempt to tar people with the smear of being "extreme?" I'd much rather know what my core beliefs are than be in the squishy middle, pleasing no one. I agree with you that I don't like Ashcroft as AG, but I don't think I would characterize him as being "extreme," even though I think his Patriot Act foolish was a step in a very bad direction. Name Bush's policies that are "hard right extreme." If we look at the political spectrum and liberals consider themselves as "centrists" squarely in the middle (which I do not), well I guess Bush is a hard-right extremist. It is all about perspective and if you view things through that narrow lens, I guess I can see why you'd feel that way.
     
  4. basso

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    thanks for proving the point...;)
     
  5. nyrocket

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    So sayeth T_J, who in his sig file hastens to remind everyone that Bill White is an "ardent supporter of Jesse Jackson."

    Hilarious. You're a caricature, T_J.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    I would definitely consider Condi Rice extreme. It was Condi Rice who called up major media sources and asked them to stop playing speeches of Osama Bin Laden. That's just plain censorship, and is extreme. She claimed that his message might weaken support for the U.S. Policies and that OBL might be able to send messages through those televised speeches.

    The first part is true, but there is no serious concern of him sending messages through video segments that get played on the news. We know that Al Qaeda has access to the internet. All OBL had to do was to put the same messages up on the internet and his operatives can watch them as often as they want anytime they want. Condi Rice was the extremist pushing the whole line of B.S. about the tubing that the Iraqis bought really only having one use and that was for nuke weapon development.

    Ashcroft is extreme because he wants the Patriot Act to go even further. He wants the feds to not have to go before a judge and get warrants. He doesn't want to follow the constitution, or checks and balances. That is extreme.

    Bush is extreme because of the war, because of his secrecy, not handing over documents needed by congress in matters such as energy, 9/11 etc. Bush is extreme in his enviromental policies, his firing of scientists who accurately reported results, but they weren't the results that he wanted, so he had them replaced. There's the whole Iraq war, the fact that his cabinet is quick to call critics supporters of the enemy etc.
     
  7. glynch

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    Bill White has spent twice what his opponents have spent *combined*. Do not sell your vote to special interests.

    Jorge, who often states the rich must always deserve to be wealthy because the market dictated this, criticizes White's spending money on his dampign.. In typical GOP hypocrite fashion he abandons even his near religious belief in simplistic market economics to advance the cause of the GOP.

    Jorge, prove you aren't a hypocrite by joining liberal Democrats in supporting campign contribution limits for all campaigns, not just for the campaigns of Democrats.
     
  8. DonnyMost

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    you guys keep forgetting to put "EXPOSED" or "DEFEND YOURSELF" at the end of your posts.

    sheesh. how do you expect to piss anyone off? get with the program!
     
  9. El_Conquistador

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    glynch, I must answer your question with another question. Why do liberals support Bill White, if in fact liberals are so staunchly in favor of campaign contribution limits? My signature does not contradict my stance on the issue, as it is not meant to be an endorsement of my values. My signature is an appeal to liberals who may be ignorant to Bill White's debt to special interests. Given Bill White's track record, this is a debt that will need to be repaid through cronyism and under-the-table deals. Perhaps more hats will be purchased for thousands of dollars by Bill White.
     
  10. glynch

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    My signature does not contradict my stance on the issue, as it is not meant to be an endorsement of my values.

    Jorge, this statement was not a very effective response to a charge of hypocrisy.

    Advocating others take positions that you aren't refelective of your own actions or values could in a way be a definition of hypocrisy.

    It sort of reminds me of old Henry Hyde, Newt Gingrich and the crew denouncing adultery, though as we found out later it was supposed to be a reflection of their own actions or values regarding adultery.

    Another example, of course, is Bush advocating that young people fight or make sacrifices for their country.
     

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