Hey, it's Saturday morning and I have my flame r****dant suit on, so here goes: how about trading one of our underachieving PFs (either Griffin or Taylor) for one of Cleveland's underachieving big men (Chris Mihm or Desagana Diop)?
Diop sounds okay...that's just sad...Griffin for Diop. Used to be Griffin for some star...Taylor for Diop is OK too. That would help Cleveland a bit. I think we still need Taylor.
Don't give up on Taylor yet, it may not be pot, it may be something to do with his rehab. I would rather trade both to Dallas for Jamison
Cuban would never strengthen the Rockets like that, and Jamison is much too expensive anyway. If we could afford him, he would be nice, but the chances of that trade are highly unlikely.
Diop and Mihm are still promising young players.... who don't have mental problems. You have mental problems for thinking Cleveland would ever do this trade.
Grumpy this morning, are we? Cleveland is unhappy with Mihm. He can't seem to break into the lineup. Being closer to home might help him and being away from Houston might help Griffin. Mihm can play center and PF, and with JVG cracking the whip, he might do well. I'd rather have Diop, and rumors in Cleveland are that the Cavs are not happy with his lack of progress -- he still needs to learn the game. Again, JVG is the better coach for him.
Taylor will probably score as many points during his suspension as Diop or Mihm will on a bad cleveland team. pass.
That was a lot more tame response than I expected.... Anyway, I don't see how anyone would want an idiot who can't keep out of trouble. Mihm has ALOT of potential. Diop does as welll. They are still young and developing, there is no way they would take on two basketcases for two of their promising young big men. EG's value is 0 until we can get him back in practice. Mo's value is zero for a month. These guys are wastes of space. It is just one of those things, like an injury. The best thing that can happen is to trade them when they are back in practice.
I misread your first post, you are talking about both of our stains for ONE of their big men.... well they might do that... except they have some playing time difficulties already. And one of those guys salaries would never come close to Mo's contract and they would have to throw in some fodder that they might not be willing to part with. And Sam is insane. If I could wake up tomorrow with the nightmare of EG and Mo gone and with Mihm in the lineup it would be a glorious morning.
I'd rather trade Griffin for either Mihm or Diop. The salaries are comparable (Mihm and Diop are both #6s and Griffin is a #7). I was a big supporter of Griffin -- and I still wish the best for this troubled lad -- but I think a change of scenery would be beneficial. Gund is crazy enough to take a gamble on a player that could be a huge talent for either Mihm or Diop, neither of whom has done anything so far. All three players have potential but are underachievers so far.
How adout this DEAL! Houston trades: SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) Houston receives: C Chris Mihm (5.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.6 minutes) C Michael Stewart (0.8 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.1 apg in 5.3 minutes) SF Ricky Davis (20.6 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +1.4 ppg, +2.8 rpg, and +2.2 apg. Cleveland trades: C Chris Mihm (5.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.6 minutes) C Michael Stewart (0.8 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.1 apg in 5.3 minutes) SF Ricky Davis (20.6 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.6 minutes) Cleveland receives: SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games) PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games) Change in team outlook: -1.4 ppg, -2.8 rpg, and -2.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Mo you have been in trouble since your college days, its time to grow up an take on some responsibility.
Ditto that! We need Mobley. I just went to RealGM's trade checker. Griffin for Diop or Griffin for Mihm both work without any other players.
Haven't checked this on RealGM yet, but I'm pretty sure it's pretty damn close: Griffin + Moochie for Othella Harrington + Charlie Ward Othella Harrington is basically useless to them since they have Kurt Thomas, Sweetney and Weatherspoon ALL healthy, with McDyess coming back too. We're sending them a PF who's young and has got just one year @ rookie scale for a player they CLEARLY are tryign to trade. They do lose out on Ward for Moochie, but they get back a tiny piece of our exception, and they have Frank Williams and Howard Eisley anyway. Basically, they're upgrading from Othella to Griffin, but downgrading from Ward to Moochie. It would really help us out right now. Ward's is in a contract year, and Othella would provide some scoring at the 4.
Personally, I think we're nuts if we trade Griffin before waiting until he comes back to see if he's finally ready to play. His trade value can't possibly get any lower than it is right now. And the kid might just learn a thing or two about his priorities while he's undergoing treatment and getting some counseling. Who knows, maybe this will be the first time in his life anyone's ever sat him down and told him it's time to get responsible. With Taylor, on the other hand, I think we've already seen what he's going to give us at his best at this late a point in his career. Since he's probably still be attractive to a few teams, I wouldn't object to dangling him out there and seeing what we might get in return. Our best bet is to try to get a non-productive youngster (Kwame Brown? Chris Wilcox?) and hope he'll thrive in JVG's system.
I like this potential trade: Houston sends MoTay to the Clips in exchange for Chris Wilcox and Wang Zhizhi. In Wilcox, we'd get an young 6'10"/220 PF who's more about muscle than scoring, and a scrub backup center. Amaechi becomes expendable, and his salary would come off the books after this season if we don't pick up his option. Wilcox still has one more year remaining on his contract at $2 mil after this year, with a team option for a 4th year at $2.8 mil. Wang has two more years at $2 mil, and might just become a decent C/backup PF if he works with Ewing. At worst, he's still better than Amaechi. The Clips get someone who can step in (after the suspension) and help them stay afloat until Brand returns, and he'd become their first PF off the bench afterwards. They're hurting now, and might just pull the trigger on a deal like that.
The Clips would never take MoT back. You're more likely to see Latrell Sprewell demand that the T-Wolves hire P.J. Carlesimo as a coach.
