hold on a second EB42 You slipped in that "Y Zip". Where in the hell did that come from? You know something? Give it up? Is that the real name? Can I send you the Flash? I need reviewers!! I need people who can verify the names.
BobFinn* Nah, it was Delk. Watch it again. You will see that it is a left hand, which means it couldn't be Mobley's. You can see a thumb. Mobley's right hand would mean you could only see the top of his hand. Mobley didn't even jump. Also, the arm was darker than Cats.
Smeg: I think Mobley's a good scapegoat because he does possess some of the characterestics people don't like about the Rockets, DaDakota in particular. Mobley: 1. Has been known for subpar defense. 2. Has a *repuation* for playing without using his head (I'm not sure how much I agree with this anymore) especially at the end of games. 3. Is a real scorer in the sense that he's going to take his shots, even if he's not hitting. 4. He's small. Mobley's not going to stop anyone with his size anytime soon. When you look at that, Mobley pretty much exemplifies the Rockets ats a whole. Mediocre defense, tendency to be sloppy, lots of shot attempts, and not a great deal of muscle. The thing is, Cat also exemplifies all that is RIGHT with the Rockets, which is the reason HP likes him so much. He has heart, loyalty, can score like the devil, and shows flashes of real brilliance. Sounds a lot like the rest of them... Cat is the best Rocket, and he's the worst one. Maybe he's the core of them. There are numerous s ------------------ Boston College - Big East -East Division Regular Season Champs Worst to First in 2001!
I AM NOT BLAMING MOBLEY !!!! Please read all of my posts, I just think that the Rockets need some more diversity at the end. Tough loss, good game, should have been a win, but I want the team to build around Francis, and I see Mobley hindering his development. If you don't agree, fine, but he is a selfish player who needs to learn that there are 4 other players on the court with him, and maybe, just maybe they could help him. I do not hate Cat, I just don't like the style of play that Mobley brings. I like his energy, his heart, and his never say die attitude. I do not like his decision making, especially late in games. By the way, I am making a statement about the entire Rocket team, when they blow leads it is not one players fault, but if you rely on only one player late in the game, unless that player is a SUPERSTAR...ala Dream or Jordan, you will more often then not lose the game. And Mobley is FAR from a superstar, whereas Francis might become one. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
Mobley is huge for us on the offensive side. Francis sure didn't score for us like Mobley did in the 4th, and defenses didn't go easy on Cat. Cuttino can break down a coverage better than Francis at this point. I haven't seen Francis carry this team on his back for a stretch in the 4th like Cuttino did. Cat is tied for #15 in the league in FTA, the only non-power players ahead of him are Pierce, Stackhouse, Iverson, Kobe, TMac, Marbury, and Vince Carter. Not bad company If we're really looking to diversify, incorporate Mo. My biggest question is why doesn't Mo get involved after the 1st quarter. Having a post presence to go with to super guards as options with time ticking down will stretch the defense more than the 2 guards. Here's another question I'd like to pose on Cat-Is he as good as he is without that year he spent as point guard? Did that experience improve his handles, and thought process? ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
heypartner, This is actually TPL. I had to register for my friend, and since I'm in San antonio and forgot my password, I decided to throw in my two cents on the game on his moniker. By the way, I'm pretty sure the name of the play is Y zip. When I was at the warrior game saturday, I heard Rudy say it pretty clearly as Y zip. I apologize for saying you defend Mobley far too often. That was a mistake. I now see that somebody has to defend the guy, because they hyperbolize his weaknesses far more than you do his strengths. PS- Just picked up a David Robinson bobble head doll, and gonna sell that thing ASAP on ebay. ------------------ I know the bulls suck
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NikeStrad, Referees do not call fouls late in the game, for evidence see last night's game. Mobley is an offensive force, and could be a lot better if he passed the ball, even a bit. I do not think he cost us last nights game, as some have surmmized by just browsing through, rather then actually reading the posts. My main point is that I think Francis would develop faster with a FRONTCOURT complimentary player. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
I think a lot of people get on Cuttino's case more than anyone and don't give him enough credit for what he does right. I'm a big Mobley fan and always bring out his good points when people look to him as a scapegoat, but I will admit that he sometimes has a poor choice when it comes to shots. At the same time I like when he has the ball in the 4th because no matter what his game is like for 3 qtrs, he does what it takes to help us get the W in the 4th. I don't blame him for this loss, but I do think it shouldn't be just him in the 4th. It seems like this topic has turned into Steve vs. Cat which it shouldn't be. I would like it where at least 3 players are hot during the fourth. I don't agree with some of you saying that Steve can't make the plays down the stretch, because a lot of times during the 4th I thought Steve had ice water in his veins and don't forget that he would have had a 3 point play if the refs didn't rob him. Plus he wasn't taking too many shots late in the 4th because Cat was hot. Both sides need to realize that we need both of them to win especially with Dream out. ------------------
pooh, Francis waved off himself in the last 2 minutes when Moochie tried to give him the ball in the backcourt. He told Moochie to give it to Mobley. I have the tape on that one. Why do you assume Francis is unable to assert himself? It is called given way to the better crunch time player. A rolled out finger roll dead in the middle of the lane and a 12 foot J (not to mention the Mo' put back miss on the J) and a pure slop hip shot by Marion and you guys are on Mobley's case. How pathetic.
Not only is what heypartner just mentioned true, Mobley was the one that had a three, a drive, a drive, and totally destroyed the defense of the suns by them all running at him in the 4th, not to mention the crowd, and pulled us away. Some bad calls, and two missed shots and we lose the game...you know, thats just how it goes sometimes. Mobley has matured considerably and if you don't see that then you expect way more from him then any of us do. DaDakota it sounds like if the Rockets never win again you need to invest in some Heroin or something. ------------------ -jbond77
When Francis was leading the way in the 3rd, the Rockets were clicking. I saw Francis defer to Mobley too, that's what pissed me off. Mobley had gone cold. All you people who keep saying that Mobley is the clutch man and that he should have the ball, I'm just not seeing it. He has stretches where he's on, but he's not consitent, and more times than not when it comes down to Mobley having the ball in key situations like last night, we're talking about another disappointing loss like last night. Did you look at the last few games where Steve came up with big plays down the stretch? I just feel so much better when Steve is taking over. If Mobley continues to be our so-called clutch player, than this team is not going to ever go that far. ------------------
Smeg, I see DaDakota ran out of medication again. ------------------ "We've never been very comfortable with praising ourselves, but we're so proud of our new album, The Great Eastern, that we've got no problem telling people it's an absolutely fantastic record." EMMA POLLOCK of the delgados.
Personnally I find quite encouraging that they almost won this game without Hakeeem. Had the Rockets had Hakeem I believe they would have won. Somntimes it strikes me that Rockets fans have become spoiled. They do realize that the Rockets organizations has pulled off a major accomplishment by rebuilding the team so quickly (to a competitiive level). Look at the Celtics. Ask thier fans how the rebuilding process is going. Our team is on the verge of a playoff spot despite their youth and health issues. ------------------
Mobley did not go cold. He definitely continued to break down that Suns D and get great shots. You will never see it. And Rudy, Doc Rivers, Lenny Wilkens all our coaches and even Francis himself would say you don't see it as they praise Mobley's ability to break down an entire defense. 1. you didn't see the clear illegal by googs when Mobley had it at the top of the key, 2. you didn't see that Mobley baseline 12 footer was as sweat as any turnaround J that Francis would have to rely on, (oh yeah, but your point is Francis would make it vs Mobley's painful in and out) 3. you didn't see the drive right down the middle of the lane A no call on a zone defense, and two rim outs. That's why I want the ball in Mobley's hands. imo, most sincere opinion, Francis can't get himself open in the end like Mobley. That's why Cat needs more practice with the ball in his hand. The whole team needs more practice with the ball in Cat's hands. That is how the team starts playing better with our star playmaker. That is how he learns how to run more options. That 4th Q last night was sheer Mobley carnage on the Suns. One finger roll miss away from the entire board doing the Pharoah bow down to him. except you, apparently. No matter what, give it to Francis who will just get smothered for a swing around and never get passed the 4th Q crunch-time D. He's never shown the ability to beat the coverage in the end, but let's go ahead and take it out of Mobley's proven hand. A finger roll rim out and this is a reason to give it to Francis. Such a bad example to make your argument. In fact, I don't think I could choreograph a poorer example for why Mobley can't be the man. Really bad example.
I see DaDakota has Turned on us. The Rox are still in good shape for the playoff hunt. Noone should have chalked that one up as a W. I agree that I would love to see Steve assert himself on the offensive end more. But that's on him - he chose to not take the shots late in the game, deferring to Cat. And the strategy almost worked. If you want a real culprit, blame our 4th quarter defense. ------------------
Wakko I don't think anyone is saying Francis can't make the plays down the stretch. I am just saying Mobley is better down the stretch, because he is better at the simple bread n butter plays than Francis. Francis, Rudy and the whole team are getting better each week at running a really nice system...particular their secondary break has become superb...their pnr's are adding more options each week, and we are adding some quirky plays each week. But at crunch time, like every other NBA basketball team, you win by keeping it simple...go to your bread n butter play. Those plays have Mobley as playmaker. Remember, last night was a fluke. Mobley isn't really going to run 5-6 pick n rolls in a row in the middle of the 4th. But he can when he doesn't miss. That is how we beat Indiana the first time. Mobley went insane with the pick n roll....with 2 baskets, 2 assists to Collier amd 1 FT trip. Wakko and DaDakota and everyone ...is right about no one person should run play after play, but you know we don't really do that anymore than every other team. Last year maybe, but not this year unless the pnr is destroying a team, like the Pacers and Suns. And damn, we need a center to play with us. Rudy's system shines more with Dream in there. And Mo' sat with 4 fouls for awhile.
Mobley is a subpar defensive player? Well Francis isn't exactly a defensive specialist! Why don't you harp on that? I don't understand why people say "I don't hate Mobley", but then say he is erratic, he hurts Francis growth, he's a ballhog, he doesn't fit the team, he tries to pad his stats, and he is a horrible defender, and his offense means nothing. I don't understand that. Mobley shoots about the same percentage as Francis. Both are subpar defenders. Both make bad decisions, and both are big time shooters down the stretch. Yet people are tearing into Mobley and praising Francis? How about instead of ripping into our starting SHOOTING GUARD who is helping us win by trying to compare him to our POINT GUARD, you just enjoy the fact we have an explosive backcourt. People say that he hasn't matured, and why is that? The guy has gone from averaging 10 points a game as a PG, to 19 points a game as a 2-guard. Francis turns the ball over every once in a while 7 times a game. Nobody harps on that, and they shouldn't, he's still learning. Mobley misses one shot and the guy is a cancer. I just don't see how people can enjoy pounding on a Rocket player who wants to win. We have a 20 game turnaround from last year, what else do you want!!?? ------------------ Rocks2001 in disguise. . .
