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BBALLBREAKDOWN: Is James Harden Breaking the NBA Rule Book?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Reeko, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. wekko368

    wekko368 Member

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    If anything, Roberson is fouling Nene, not Harden. He jumps into Nene and bounces into Harden.
     
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  2. Reeko

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    I do think the level of outrage is building. I've noticed it on social media, with members of the media, and on places like realgm/Reddit. Now BBALLBREAKDOWN has done a video on it.

    Idk if you've listened to the interview that Darryl Morey did a few days ago on Howard Beck's podcast, but 1 of the 1st questions that he asked Morey was this...

    "Harden is incredibly effective/efficient in the Daryl Morey mold because he's drawing a lot of fouls in addition to his 3 pointers and shots at the rim. A lot of people don't like the way he draws those fouls as u know, and there has been more than a murmuring around the league about do we need to start changing the rules, especially out at the 3 point line and directing it not just at James as there are a few other players around the league using the same kind of mechanisms. If there's a push around the league to try and eliminate these new kinds of shooting fouls, would u fight against that?"
     
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  3. don grahamleone

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    No, you are wrong. You don't have arm space as a right on the court. You have body position only. Learn the rules then talk.

    His arm was impeding Harden's progress to the basket and Harden converted stupid (and lazy) defense into 3 points. You really really need to read the rules. There's nothing that protects a defensive player's arm space. You'd see clotheslining defense constantly if there was such a rule. You really really disappoint me for coming out like that. There was absolutely no reason to challenge me on this. Harden initiates when the contact occurs, not the contact. Idiot left his arm out and should have moved his feet. Learn the game.
     
  4. don grahamleone

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    Next you'll tell us that it's a charge if an offensive player touches the arms of a center who puts his hands straight up inside the circle?
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    If Harden has to draw 50/50 foul calls to win games for us that's the gamble you take. If he can't succeed without these maybe he should change his game. That's what winners do.
     
  6. Reeko

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    good question, I'll try to find more context behind that tweet
     
  7. TheRealist137

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    You are entitled to your own space arms included. Your clotheslining defense was a terrible example. If I was standing completely still with both of my arms out, then I own that position on the basketball court. If a player decides to dribble into my arms, thus getting clotheslined, it's them creating the contact. The key is you have to be completely still. If the defender dribbles around me and I move at the last second to force the contact, then it would be a foul on me.
     
  8. don grahamleone

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    Yeah, that's why you always see guys with their arms out taking charges, right? Jebus, it's like you haven't ever watched a game. How many charges into arm space have you seen. Show me one example ever. If you can't, please just say you were mistaken. This is getting stupid. Maybe that's what it is, I'm arguing with a stupid person? I didn't think you were, but you're quickly changing my mind.
     
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  9. don grahamleone

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    The reason that you see players defend with their arms out is to close passing lanes. Those arms don't have rights on the court though. The game would suck if they did. You'd never be able to get to the basket if arms had rights. You could form chains with arms if you could. Your idea completely changes basketball. Hands across America defense!!!

    Quit clowning. It's a foul and teams and players don't defend Harden well because he's good.
     
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  10. don grahamleone

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    You touched my arms! Offensive foul! What a great game to watch, right? You're not a realist. You're out in la-la land there my friend.
     
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  11. Daddy Long Legs

    Daddy Long Legs H- Town Harden

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    yeah it's not a conspiracy or refs being stupid. Harden is a smart player and has learned to be creative as hell in drawing his fouls.
     
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  12. BigM

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    I don't understand the love affair with ******** on Harden. Geez.

    I do know Timothy Legler is a douche bag of the highest order. **** that dude.
     
  13. don grahamleone

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    The focus shouldn't be on Harden, it should be on defenders. You reach, I teach. There's a reason that Clyde keeps saying it. You're supposed to play position defense, not set your feet and use your arms. That's why K Leonard is given such high praise, dude moves his feet and gets in the way. He's brilliant on that end. If he could use "arm space" as a defense, he'd be virtually unbeatable.

    Has anyone on here other than the "realist" heard an announcer claim that a player had rights to arm space? The only thing I know of is that you have the right to put your arms up straight, but contact with your arms can't be a charge. Only your body if a player jumps into your body.
     
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  14. don grahamleone

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    No joke, man. They come out of the woodworks to crap on him. I wonder if this was a fee based thing. I know people that testify in courtrooms for certain expertise get paid. What's to prevent someone from paying Nunn from taking money to do this interview and who paid him? If I were a legit reporter like @BenDubose, I'd dig into something like that. Reveal the person that paid for this interview.

    Because, trust me, it was not a free interview. He was paid to be there. I can't say he was paid for a certain opinion, but he was payed to appear.
     
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  15. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    I hate when players try to hook the player with the ball in the pick and roll. Harden takes advantage of this foul that is never called. I love it
     
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    These are legit fouls. Players play to draw fouls all the time. That's what a pump fake is - to get a guy in the air so you can go under him and draw the foul. Since that is done with the intention of creating contact, according to Nunn that should be an offensive foul???? That's just stupid.

    What Harden does is nothing different than a pump fake. He is getting defenders to stick their arms out and then running into their arms. And under the rules of continuation - it's a shooting foul. The contact occurs as he is gathering for a shot.

    I don't think the league can do anything. Defenders can do something though - don't defend with your arms. The rules were changed to give the advantage to guys like Harden. Deal with it.
     
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    You know if you are standing completely still with your arms out and a dribbler runs into your arm it's a foul right. Why do you think big men always jumps straight up with theirs arms UP or tucked in.

    If your logic was true, every center would just stick their arms straight out when taking a charge
     
  18. arubato

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    Because Harden is better than the media darlings (Curry & Westbrook).
     
  19. TheRealist137

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    True the offensive foul point was wrong. I still maintain that it shouldn't be a shooting foul, however.
     
  20. RocketsTruth

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    kevin mchale has a lot of friends at nba tv and tnt, barkley, dennis scott, greg anthony,shaq etc hate the rockets organization because hakeem denied them rings when jordan retired

    the harden hate comes somewhat from the mchale firing, remmeber mchale and steve kerr worked with tnt and nba tv before the rockets hired him.

    Stephen Jackson and TMAC hate harden because harden beat the spurs in the 2012 playoffs wcf, and tmac is jealous of hardens career as a rocket compared to his
     
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