No of course not but is that the only option? Do you really feel you should have no rights as a paying customer that's already seated ? They had to know beforehand so why let people board the plane? Normally this is done at the Gate. Anyway, that's why folks (ie me) are following along to see what the outcome is.
I have seen this brought up numerous times. But doesn't United still bear responsibility for the flight since the flight was being operated on United Airlines' behalf, using United's livery and branding? Isn't that why United Airlines CEO took full responsibility fo the airlines? And does anyone know whether Republic or United personnel made the decisions in the terminal?
You dont know why United Airlines CEO took responsibility w/out at least some formal inquiry? Take a look at their stock prices. Take a look at social media. Take a look at the news. Mob rule (which you so dearly embrace) placed the responsibility on United w/out ever looking at the facts. This incident cost them hundreds of millions. Could you imagine how much more if it would cost them if they threw it back in the mobs face?
Um, I believe the CEO took responsibility (after a few days) because his PR and corporate lawyers told him to. And maybe, just maybe, out of a his own sense sense of decency and right vs wrong? But "mob rule"? Because the majority of the people were shocked and even sickened by the videos and witness accounts of what happened? And mind you, this wasn't the first questionable thing that United has done in the past month. What you call "mob rule" can be better described as moral outrage at what happened. And the so-called "mob" took a very "free market" approach by voicing their outrage, both via social media and talk of boycott. And the free market responded... United's value went down. Which influenced the company to respond. Free market in action...
So answer me this - should the gentleman be generously compensated for what happened to him? If you say no, I simply can't understand your logic. I don't care how many paragraphs you write, or what your job is. That man was a human being with a valid ticket who was already seated on the plane. He DID NOT deserve to be treated like an animal. I'll add something else you might find amusing, unlike what I just wrote. My significant other's niece is seriously involved with a very experienced United pilot. Wedding bells are likely in the future. I can't wait for the next time I see him. He's a great guy who's training other United pilots in Houston. As you know, they don't stop learning after they start flying. Our conversation should be priceless. Not sure when I'll see him next. Might be a few months, but after I talk to him, I'll dig up this thread and pass along his take.
He shouldn't have deserved it, 100%. Except, he gave consent to be physically removed. He said he would need to be physically removed, so he was.
The felon doctor, he verbally gave consent to being physically removed from the plane. Not real sure where the confusion is.
Absolutely, yes. Thats the cost of outsourcing. Operationally, United and Republic are two completely separate entities. However, since the ticket was sold under the United branding, they have to take the fall. Its unfortunate. Oscar and United airlines is being raked over the coals but nobody hears anything from Republics management.
Absolutely yes. Nobody deserves to have their head bashed in no matter the circumstance. And whats with the attitude? Oh, and absolutely show him my post. Verbatim. I'm sure he'll probably agree. I work directly with the pilots at UAL in the training department. Hell, tell him if he finds out who I am, next time he's at TK or Big Willy beers are on me. He'll know where I am talking about. You're not the only one who knows who at UAL.
It's not your problem to solve. Just because United can't get their **** together with staffing for a flight the next day doesn't constitute an emergency on you or any passenger from another flight a day earlier. That's United's problem. They handled this situation the worst possible way. Yet there are still lousy airline business practice defenders here. Amazing.
Virtually all of it is speculation, that is why the court system allows for discovery to find out what did and didn't happen. The reality is that we don't know what injuries he did or didn't suffer and when he suffered them in the ordeal. As for his injuries, I have tried dozens of cases in Cook County. The case hasn't settled (it likely will) but a PI attorney can make any allegations of injuries and until discovery there is no way to contest the claimed injuries under HIPPA. Do I know that the plaintiff is exaggerating his injuries? No, but it is common in PI cases. The claim of a concussion caught my attention. It is almost impossible to prove and a common diagnosis. Half the PI cases I have had have involved a diagnosis of concussion usually with little evidence other than a diagnosis based entirely on subjective complaints. If a Glasgow test was administered at the scene or in the ER that shows cognitive deficits then that is note worthy, but if there were cognitive issues you better believe his attorney would have stated so at a press comference. A press conference which had absolutely no purpose other than to put even more pressure to settle at the terms dictated by plaintiff's counsel. This is all a dog and pony show at this point. His attorney is doing his job, trying to gouge the defendants into paying a massive settlement amount just to get the whole thing to go away.
Glad to hear that you think he should be compensated. The "attitude," as you call it, is from being sick and tired of people parsing the regulations and circumstances that allow this crap to go on. I think the rules regarding passenger's rights need to be simplified, clear, and more in favor of the people paying the airline for their transportation than they are now. If the gentleman had been a danger to the aircraft and its passengers when this happened, I wouldn't have said a thing. He was not. I won't show the fellow your post, by the way. Sorry. This isn't a competition about who knows who with United, and I value my privacy. Hell, I probably shouldn't have mentioned him. I do intend to tell him exactly what I think of the incident, in a friendly way, of course, and am very interested in what he thinks about it. He's a lucky guy if he manages to snag my "niece-in-law" (whatever you call your partner's niece!). She's beautiful. Seriously.
You likely never will know the amount he receives. It is very likely that United and the other defendants pay a premium for a non disclosure agreement. United gets to pay to make the problem go away and a felon drug dealer gets millions of dollars and some how continues to get to practice medicine. What a country.
But clear enough to prove he has some type of mental disorder right Donny? Unless it was already diagnosed by the hospital physician right? Have no idea of this was the case so won't argue this but as long as we're talking about medical malpractice and internal medicine physicians with missing teeth, it's certainly possible right?
Since you work for an (the?) airline, can I ask another question? Was the airlines position "refusal to board" or "refusal to transport"? Since he had boarded already, in fact, he was sitting in the seat on his ticket that he purchased, it would seem it would have to be refusal to transport. And if that was the case, aren't the rules that the airline has to prove different than refusal to board... ie. he presented a danger to the airplane, staff, or passengers, or he wasn't the passenger on the ticket, or he didn't pay... and its pretty clear none of these conditions apply. Seems the airline had no legal reason to force him off the plane, though this may be something lawyers would have to argue and decide.
Curious if you think felons who have paid their debt to society are entitled to be covered and protected by the same laws as the rest of us?
They didn't have to have legal reason, the felon drug dealer gave consent, verbally on camera, to being physically removed from the plane.
What possible relevance, true or not, does that make regarding this incident? None whatsoever. I guess it turns you on to post that. And yes, this is a hell of a country.
