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Impressed by Westbrook's Stats?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by HTM, Dec 10, 2016.

  1. BackdoorHarden

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    That makes sense. You see Gibson and Adams get out of the way all the time to let WB to get boards.

    Either that or Gibson and Adams are horrible rebounders.
     
  2. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Anyone who isn't impressed by Westbrook's stats has an agenda.

    Now, whether or not those stats should earn him MVP is a different question.
     
  3. zeeshan2

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    Russell Westbrook is 20 misses away from becoming the first player since 2005 Kobe Bryant to miss 1000 shots.
    In the last 10 years, only one player has attempted more Field goals - Dwayne Wade in 2008. Russ is 49 attempts away from passing him.
     
  4. roslolian

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    Agenda? Obviously you haven't read any of the long and exhaustive articles, videos or reddit posts on this matter. If he was getting his triple doubles in a legit way and causing his team to win games then it would be impressive. But he's not doing it legitimately, he is stat padding and even worse causing his team to lose games since instead of guarding his man he is leaving him open to get rebounds and pad his stats. The MVP is not really the issue here, the issue here is if you are impressed by a guy who is stat padding his way to history by gaming the system, much like guys who try to get DPOY by letting his opponent take as many shots as possible so he can get more blocks per game.

    LOL you really can lead a horse to the water, but making him drink it is another matter entirely...
     
  5. Easy

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    I actually thought for a while that Rockets fans did have an agenda, probably subconsciously for some, for hating on Westbrook "stealing" the MVP award from Harden. But this "perfect" triple double game really got me riled up. I just despise this kind of stat-whoring.
     
  6. jim1961

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    Ive never met a sports fan that doesn't have an agenda.
     
  7. Deuce

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    Jason McIntyre getting the Reddit stuff out on social media.

     
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    LOL People want to now argue averaging a triple double is not impressive? Allen Iverson won an MVP behind putting up a million shots. What's next? It's not impressive someone scored 75 points in a game because he took more than 50 shots?
     
  10. Houstunna

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    If Westbrook averaged 31/7/7, his stats would still be "impressive".

    It would be great if the media talked stat-padding like the video above. Most here don't like Colin.
     
  11. Houstunna

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    Okay

    Consider it, "AGENDA which blinds them from the obvious".

    This goes beyond sports, too.
     
  12. roslolian

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    People were dumb back then and didn't realize the concept of efficiency. If Allen Iverson played the sane way he did before in today's NBA he wouldn't be a star, more than likely he wouldn't see the court a lot because his tean will always lose games.
     
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    It wouldn't be impressive, people will see that as something that Westbrick has to do as he is making max money. Lebron has been getting averages like that every year since his Miami days.
     
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    Iverson played when the rules didn't favor small ball as it does now. Dude got hammered and he repeatedly went to the hole to even get putback dunks. He put up a lot of shots but he deserved the MVP.
     
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    LeBron was doing THAT long before MIA.

    Impressive stats are the main reason he is so highly regarded.
     
  16. jim1961

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    I admit I am one who loves to be critical of this guy. Basically, I just dont like him. That said, I cant deny he is having a hell of a season. BUT, he is not as good as his stats indicate.
     
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    17 rebounds and 31 assists away from avg a triple double
     
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    Lol, this is what I'm talkin bout. Hornets were killing OKC today. Westbrook enters at the 8:51 mark, down 15, and 2 assists shy of a trip dub. He doesn't take a shot until he gets his 10th assist at the 5:07 mark, to cut the lead to 13. Now that he has the trip dub, he takes 8 of the next 9 shots until he's subbed out with a minute left.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400899406
     
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    OK, but it can also be explained by him just asserting himself more in the final 5 minutes of a game as many other scoring guards tend to do.
     
  20. YaoDreaming

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    Yeah, he does it all the time. Here are some more examples I found from another website.
    [QUATE]
    December 5: Westbrook gets 8 assists in the first half and his 10th with 6:19 still remaining in the 3rd, more than 18 minutes left in the game. He takes 11 shots in 10 more minutes of play but only gets 2 more assists.

    December 9
    : Westbrook gets 7 assists in the first half and his 10th with 8:03 left in the 3rd to maintain his streak of seven consecutive triple-doubles. He doesn’t get another assist the entire game, but takes 14 more shots.

    December 23: Westbrook racks up 9 assists in the first half and his 10th with 9:32 left in the 3rd quarter. He only gets one more assist the rest of the game, though he takes another 10 shots.

    December 27: Westbrook secures his 10th assist with 3:39 still left in the SECOND quarter. 10 assists in 20 minutes. So in the next 28 minutes of game time, he takes 14 shots compared to only 1 assist.

    February 3: Westbrook has 8 assists in the first half and gets his 10th assist with 7:28 left in the 3rd quarter. He takes 11 shots and 9 free throws the rest of the way but only manages 2 more assists.

    February 15: Westbrook gets his 10th assist just before the half ends, and his 11th with 11:50 remaining in the 3rd quarter. He then takes 14 shots the rest of the way, but only gets 1 more assist.

    February 26: Westbrook has 9 assists in the first half and gets his 10th with 9:05 left in the 3rd. He only puts up one more assist the rest of the game, jacking up thirteen shots in the 4th quarter alone.

    February 28: Westbrook gets 9 assists in the first half, but only one more assist the rest of the game (with 8:43 left in the 4th to complete his triple-double). After getting his 10th assist with a 13 point lead, he then misses 7 shots in 5 minutes, letting Utah back in the game, before making his next 5 attempts to get the Thunder the win. 6-13 shooting without a single assist once the triple-double was completed, to blow a 13-point lead before salvaging a 3-point win. This was the game that “proved” Russ was clutch.

    You might assume that Westbrook passes in the first half and shoots in the second. But that’s not true….not when he hasn’t hit 10 assists yet. In games where he doesn’t get the triple-double mark early, he keeps hunting assists until the end of the game. It’s no problem for Westbrook to get 2nd-half assists when he needs them.

    For instance, in a November 30 game during the triple-double streak, Westbrook only had 6 assists when the 4th quarter started…so he proceeded to get 4 assists compared to just 6 shots over the next 7 minutes. Of course, once he had secured that 10th assist, he then ended the game on a 9-shot flurry (plus 6 trips to the line) compared to just more 1 assist. And there's been plenty like that:

    January 7: Westbrook only has 4 assists when the first half ends. So he only takes 3 shots compared to 6 assists in the next 16 minutes of the second half, finally finishing the triple-double with 8:08 left in the game. With that in hand, he launches 8 shots to only 1 more assist for the rest of the game.

    January 15: Gets his 9th assist with 6:01 left in the game and his 10th with 3:46 left in the game.

    January 18: Only 6 first-half assists, so works for 7 in the 2nd half to get the triple double.

    January 21: Only 5 first-half assists, so he focuses on assists in the 2nd half and gets 9 more.

    January 23: Starts slow on assists but keeps working for the triple-double to the end, getting his 9th assist with 4:32 left in game and 10th assist with 1:04 left.

    January 25: Gets his 10th assist with 4:55 left in game.

    January 29: Gets his 9th assist with 3:48 left and 10th assist with 3:14 left in blowout loss.

    February 9: Gets 9th assist with 3:04 left and 10th assist with 2:08 left, turning the game into a joke by purposely messing around with their 8-point lead and not going to the hoop when he was open and cherry-picking, instead standing outside the three-point line so he can wait for Oladipo and put up a joke of a 10th assist for the triple-double

    Of course the argument isn't that Westbrook's "only" goal is to chase a triple-double, or that he "only" gets assists when he's triple-double chasing. But it is clear that Westbrook's play is affected by his desire to get those triple-doubles. When he's chasing assists, he plays differently than when he's taking shots for himself - and he tends to chase assists based on whether or not he's on track for a triple double that night, or already has it in hand.[/QUATE]
     

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