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The Rockets are now tied for the GOAT* offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kevC, Mar 16, 2017.

  1. kevC

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    *Since 1973.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/lzJ6b

    Would have to close really strong to maintain it, but it looks like they're a lock for at least top 5. 3 of the top 16 are from this season (Warriors, Cavs). Can you imagine if the '87 Lakers shot 3 pointers?
     
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    Myke Dan Tony is a legend in our time
     
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    For fun, add the criteria of >= 114 ORtg, and that will return the Top 20 of all time. Now it is easier to sort the top teams on different columns. Also add, "Sort By" 3P% (and bbref will add more useful columns.)

    Of the Top 20 Teams in ORtg​
    • Rockets are #5 in eFG% (all this era teams except one Showtime team)
    • Bottom four teams in 2PA are all this era: GSW (this yr and last), HOU and CLE (this year)
    • Rockets are #2 in 2P%, showing the "Layups" part of Morey Ball
    • Rockets are 16th of 20 in Winning %, which to me shows that high ORtg Wins (at least in regular season) and show Rockets have room for improvement with better defensive/rebounding players or fockass'd 48-min defense.
    • Rockets are 9th in TOV% of the Top 20
     
  5. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Proud of our Rockets (DM esp)...working the rules today. How about the old Nuggets?
     
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    '82 Nuggets were 17th all-time, but teams like that are one of the biggest reasons why we use metrics like ORtg. Crazy how fast those teams played relative to the league average.
     
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    Appreciate the work. Our 2pt% is a very underrated aspect of our offense as we simply kill it inside the paint. The 3pters seems to get the most public attention but for me it's our 2% which is most impressive.
     
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    I need this gif, awesome posting
     
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    Harden is accounting for half of the points on the best offense of all time with a 60+ TS%

    LMAO
     
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    Harden is currently having the greatest offensive season of all time......1 championship and I'm moving this man up Hakeem...like seriously.
     
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    AND I STILL DONT THINK THEY HAVE REACHED THEIR BEST OFFENSE YET.
    This is a great team but I know and they know they can be better.
     
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    My son thinks he is already in the discussion for best offensive player of all time. Gotta give it time...but if he continues throughout his career playing at the level he's played at over the last few seasons, it's going to be difficult to argue otherwise.
     
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    He's the real GOAT in this new era
     
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    Here's another interesting stat regarding Point Differential, which is a key component to Bill James famed Pythagorean Expected Wins formula, which Daryl Morey adjusted to basketball (the formula in the photo of him writing on a board). Pt Differential is one of the proven, most useful stats for predicting Wins.

    Of teams with 7-8 pt differential in the 3pt shooting era (Rockets have a 7.31):
    • Rockets rank 38th out of 42 in Wins
    Of teams with 6-8 pt differential in the 3pt shooting era
    • Rockets rank 71st out of 84 in Wins
    • only 2 teams with larger Pt Differential have less Wins
    • 54 teams with smaller Pt Differential in the 6-8 range have more wins
    So, we are substantially under-performing our Pt Differential, and thus our Expected Wins -- which to me shows Morey's "Variance"/"Volatility" that he chose to build around in the summer. Maybe this new era of Morey Ball might require a tweak to the Pythagorean Formula's exponent, again. whatcha think @durvasa ?
     
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    this argument alone should win him MVP over westbrick
     
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    That's such a narrow range though (2 or 3 points), anyone's place in that range is mostly due to luck. Rockets are only underperforming by 2 wins, which isn't crazy.
     
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    I wouldn't call it a tight range when it is that many teams.

    Don't you need a tight range, since pt differential is such a proven predictor of Wins. If I expand higher, ppl will just say, "Well, that's predicted."

    How much more should I expand the range downward? It already shows 54 out of 69 teams with smaller pt differential had more Wins.
     
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    Are those rankings season long?
     
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    It's Win% for a season, which is what the Bill James/Morey formula predicts.

    Applying that formula to our pts for and against right now, we should have a .713 Win% right now. imo, this is showing the variance that Morey is talking about.
     
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