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Rockets' GM Carroll Dawson should be fired!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by djunior, Nov 2, 2003.

  1. djunior

    djunior Member

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    Rockets' GM Carroll Dawson should be fired for the following reasons:

    1. The Loss of James Posey: Posey was the most athletic defender for the Rockets. Earlier in the summer he had expressed his desire to stay with the Rockets. But Rockets management's inaction had made the 6'7" swingman disappointed & decided to go free agency.

    2. Handed out fat contracts: Guys like Moochie Norris actually got himself a huge fatty contracts. Oh man.

    3. Bad draft picks: So many first round picks has been wasted - - - does the name NachBUST or "Boki" remind anyone of something about drafting a shooter? Does the name Eddie Griffin remind anyone of something about losing 3 first rounders, one of which is an allstar Richard Jefferson, for a piece of junk?

    The list goes on & on. Thank you very much for listening. I'll shut up.
     
  2. TheRockets#1fan

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    I agree 110%, let me continue the list. Not signing Rashard Lewis after promising him that the Rockets were going to draft him, Trading for Charles Barkley, How many rings does he have? I have the answer (0). What about the signing of Matt Maloney, and Brent Price. MOOCHIE NORRIS SUCKS REALLY BAD THIS YEAR. I think he needs to grow that hair back out. His game has declined greatly. Our owner will never go over the luxury tax, so we are stuck with this team for awhile. Tough Luck
     
  3. Roc Paint

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    We have to take the good with the bad. I don't blame the Eddie situation at all on Carroll. Eddie dropped the the ball himself. Looking back I would have still made the trade.

    Screw Eddie!!
     
  4. magicoz1

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    I could not agree more. I even emailed the Houston Chronicle a while back urging them to write an article about this. Passing on Rashard Lewis is simply inexcusable and warrants a firing in itself. Lewis was a hometown product, and to make it worse, we had 3 first round picks that year. We selected: Michael Dickerson (14), Bryce Drew (16), and Mirsad Turckan (18)-----WHO???

    On top of that, we drafted and TRADED Eduardo Najera in 2000! For who?? Dan Langhi. That's simply ridiculous. The list goes on and on....bottom line, CD should be fired, but of course what do we do---sign to an extension. He and Moochie must have the same agent
     
  5. Roc Paint

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    You knew this was coming after Rashard dropped 50 on the Clips.
     
  6. Oski2005

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    Good grief, are you gonna start 5 threads every time the Rockets lose a game? Lighten up.
     
  7. arno_ed

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    i agree here.
    Djunior, why start s many new threads, they cost space. and haven't we had this thread already about a 50 times? Yes we passed up Lewis. that was a shame. But we also made great moves. drafting Cassel, drafting Mobley. drafting Yao (and alot of people were unsure if the rockets should do this, i recall people saying we should draft williams, or dunleavy).
     
  8. Roc Paint

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    Wake up djunior because arno_ed just asked you a very important question.

    good night all :)
     
  9. TheFreak

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    A lot of GMs would have to be fired then seeing as how he was a 2nd round pick.

    They did not draft Najera - Dallas wanted Najera and told the Rockets to pick him for them.
     
  10. Hippieloser

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    You blame Dawson for handing out fat contracts and then blame him AGAIN for not handing one to James Posey. How does that work? You think Posey earned the $30 million or so he's getting in Memphis with half a season of play here in Houston? That's how we got caught paying Cato and Moochie "Sucks Real Bad" Norris through the nose. You can blame Dawson for one of these things, but not both.

    Posey looked good last night because the Memphis defense happens to be designed toward his strengths: playing the passing lanes and pressuring up and down the floor. Did you miss that horrific air ball he shot from 18 feet out last night? That's the kind of player you want to shell out big-time for?

    Last night the Rockets had all of their weaknesses exploited, and I'll be the first to admit it was incredibly frustrating to watch. The fact is Posey chased the money this offseason and Eddie (much as I hate him) looked as promising as anybody on draft day. If every lottery team hit a home-run every draft then the Heat would be killing people right now. It's always a gamble and sometimes you lose big.

    What the Rockets need to focus on right now is how to counteract the style of defense Memphis humiliated them with last night, not mistakes they can't do anything about at this point.
     
  11. crash5179

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    I have been a big fan of CD's in the past but I am starting to survey the situation a little more closely. I can't blame him for Najara and Rashard, no one thought they were going to amount to much. And how many of the decisions during the Rudy years were really his anyway? I don't know if any of us know.

    Here are a couple of other interesting tidbits though.

    We basically gave Denver a second round draft pick to send what many thought was a valuable commodity in Kenny Smith to Philly. Net gain from that trade was minus one second round draft pick.

    Again this summer we basically gave Utah 2 first round picks or 1 first and 2 second round picks to take what should have been a valuable commodity in a 10 million expiring contract. What we got back was a fat tub of lard, a very late 2nd round pick and a trade exception that is not as easy to use as we were originally lead to believe. Once again we got back significantly more than we gave up.
     
  12. CriscoKidd

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    Well it seems Les disagrees junior, since he just extended CD's contract a few weeks ago. I doubt one loss is going to change his mind, but go ahead and start an online petition if you want. :rolleyes:
     
  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    You would be fired if you were offered Barkley for Horry, Cassell, etc and turned it down. Horry is a role player and Cassell has never won since leaving Houston. It was Hakeem's decline in production that led to the Rockets' slide, not trading for Barkley.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    I think Djunior should be fired.

    5 threads with obvious bias.

    Inability to evenly distribute blame when it comes to Yao Ming etc.
     
  15. LeGrouper

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    Excellent well articulated post.

    I feel Dawson is one of the best GM's in the league. He goofed up on Mooch because of the Rudy influence. And Cato still has potential. I think the Eddie trade was a great move, like RP said, Eddie just lost it.

    I don't think it would have been a good idea to pay Posey that much when you can get similar play from Jim Jackson at a much better price.
     
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    As unsuccessful as Rox have been with drafting, they did draft Yao. Remember media was in favor of JW, and Rox players, including SF, didn't like drafting Yao. That was a decision made with some gut and insight.
     
  17. Desert Scar

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    Aside from lucking into Steve and Yao the Rockets front office hasn't done much right that last 5 years. I am not saying fire Les ;)--I mean Dawson--but IMO it is hard to think we could be this mediocre with as limited growth potential (I guess Boki--but he is a long shot) while also having Yao and Franchise and Mobley on the team.

    Of course I didn't start saying this after the Memphis loss--this has been my refrain for a while. The truth is with Yao, Francis (keep or trade) and Cat (ditto) the Rockets have a lot of building blocks and/or commodities to rise to the elite in the next 3-4-5 years--but they need to start making better moves because it is unlikely they will get future no-brainers to improve the team (another Yao and Francis available to them).
     
  18. Jebus

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    Do you mean to say "we got back significantly less than we gave up" at the end there? I hope so.. otherwise your post makes no sense.

    Also, it was Kenny Thomas. And there was no way of knowing that Memphis would step in and overpay for Posey, we had a great chance at keeping him if it weren't for that.
     
  19. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    How do you figure? Isn't the value of Rice's expiring contract pretty much null and void after the trading deadline in February whereas the Trade Exception is good through next summer? How is the Trade exception more difficult to use than trading Rice?

    I am starting to think that Rice's expiring contract was not worth as much as we all thought it was.

    I don't think we can judge this move until we see what happens after this upcoming summer.

    My feeling is that JVG will test drive this team for a year, see what pieces he needs and then use some of the valuable pieces we have that dont fit our team and match them with the TE and make a nice move to bring in a 3rd star player.
     
  20. SpaceCity

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    Thanks.
     

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