Pence used private AOL email for Indiana - was hacked

Sounds like the state of Indiana may have an issue with Pence. He did not break any federal laws like Hillary. If true, what he did was not very smart and if an investigation finds he broke any laws he should have to pay for the crime but that is between him and the state where he may have broken the law.

 

Apparently Pences email issues started in 2014:

IndyStar's long-running effort to obtain the Pence emails
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/.../?hootPostID=1c0ab1ddcca5142212b5d8170a20509d

 

I'd be interested in knowing what the policies in the state of Indiana are as far as officials using private email accounts before getting outraged about this. Having said that, I never thought what Hillary did was as huge of a deal as it was made out to be, she likely did it because she has a terrible grasp on technology and thought she was above the rules as opposed to just outright corruption like some on the right seem to believe.

 

That was the point, what Hillary did was not illegal, it was just bad judgement. However, the GOP have made mole into a giant mountain. Pence was harping on Hillary at the same time compromising his own email account, talking about the ultimate hypocrisy, which seems to be typical for GOP politicians these days.

 

Good strawmen. Do have any answers to the questions?

 

Well, I was asking you for yours, but sure, here are my thoughts:

Both Clinton and Pence were wrong. Both used personal email accounts for government. I could see that Clinton's was more serious a wrong since it involved more confidential info, but Pence's also involved FBI and other sensitive state business interactions and his emails were compromised by hackers.

Also, according to the Indy Star reporting, Pence's email issues started a few years ago. But I don't know if he handed all emails of concern.

 

if you would bother reading the article, it clearly states there is no law forbidding it.

That said, Pence is an idiot for doing it.

Hillary had state secrets. If Pence had state secrets on his AOL, it would be the exact same.

This thread just further illustrates the left have no clue what they are talking about half the time.

 

I suspect your partisanship is speaking here. In the post directly above yours I clearly stated:

Do you disagree with this?

The Federal Records Act was amended after Clinton left office, so she didn't violate the law either. And any other laws people suspect she broke would simply be speculation.

 

Her using a private server is not a huge issue in itself.
But...
She had classified info on her servers. She lied about it and tried to cover it up.

Just as with Bill, if he had owned up to his ordeal, he would ever had been impeached.

 

OK, but again, how does any of this change what I said. Both were wrong. Both used personal email accounts for government email. Are you saying Pence did not? Was he not wrong to do so?

 

So we know that Pence did in fact have sensitive state material regarding the Department of Homeland Security and the Homeland Security officials in Indiana that he used his private (and hacked) email.

We don't know what other sensitive materials he had because it hasn't all been released yet. But just from what's already out, we do know about that.

 

Good grief. This is what politicians do. Make a mountain out of a mole hill. The Republicans do it and the Democrats do it. They are both equally guilty. And it's the reason people are sick and tired of both. You just want to tell them all to shut up and accomplish something.

And then you have these message board Warriors that have bought into what one side or the other is preaching. Poor souls.

 

DaDa Man . . .. . . . I'm going to let you in on a secret . . .. . . . It doesn't matter.
The ability to justify, deny and be willfully blind of the American populace in general Republican in specific is INFINITE

Reminds me of the Rodney King situation

Black people said for over a century that cops were beating them, unfair and generally over the top
We were told it wasn't that bad, we were exaggerating and making things up
RODNEY KING Video happens . .. and then its
"Oh my god! There maybe some truth to it . . .. THANK GOD they got it on tape so Justice can be served!!!" - America
"Oh really? You think so?" - Black America
"Sure. . they got Video . . . no way they get off" - America
"Wait a minute. . . . HOLD MY BEER" - American Justice System aka Semi Valley

DaDa my friend. . . it is not the lack of information or facts that is allowing this to go on
it is the lack of caring . . . the lack of morality . .. the lack of will
So . . .. . to conclude. . . .all that you putting up there. . .. DOES . .. . NOT . . .. . MATTER!!!
It would not change a thing

Rocket River

 

Both of the email "scandals" are BS.

 

The biggest email crime was when Cheney ""lost" 22 million emails. I don't think these matters will end anytime soon

 

Not only that but she had private SERVERS in her house. Pence just used a personal email account. Totally different situations and I'm not surprised that people immediately start posting about how Republicans are hypocrites and they "could never be one".

BOTH SIDES ARE FULL OF ****.

Stop with this partisan garbage. We are never going anywhere.

 

While I don't think the presence of a private server indicates nefariousness, I just don't see the equivalence to the severity of both cases. The issue isn't about having a private email or server. It's more about using private email for state business. It would be like having a company email, but still using your personal email to make contracts and form decisions that fall under trade secrets under your company's name and authority. If I did that and got caught doing it, I'd either be fired, or the company lawyer would put me on blast in an all hands email.

Powell as SoS clearly skirted Federal Records Act stipulations both because it was more convenient and politically expedient, except if he had been in Hillary's shoes at that point in time, maybe his soon-to-be-hacked AOL account would've held state secrets that were clearly in violation. Hillary also had to eat Powell's and her successor's IT ****ups because the government started hardening their internet security countermeasures in response to them. With that, deniable culpability became a lot harder.

Hillary otoh, took it one step further in the guise of security yet clearly enjoyed the advantages of convenience (Blackburry compatable) and political expedience. In terms of security, her server hasn't faced any open (highly prosecutable) leaks despite rumors of it being hacked by 4-5 different nations. Those leaks are crucial because it indicates the presence of illegality of a more severe manner but you can't prove it without a state actor implicitly declaring war on us by leaking it.

In fairness to Clinton, she kept the records and handed them over to the FBI. This should cast extreme doubt on the FOIA Evasion conspiracy theory.

A problem with the private email is that because of wikileaks dumping podesta's et.al emails we know that Obama contacted her through that server. That's a pretty big deal wrt Federal Records Act.

As for why this pops up again and again is that with more security comes with less convenience. The other reason is that no one knows ****all what "proper" security is and as it's a cat and mouse game, what was good then isn't good now, except you still have the cultural baggage of previous security protocols. It opens up the cynical idea of Security Theater when in some cases it's good intentions executed poorly or without a clue.

 

AOL still exists?

 

I can imagine it now.

Pence logs in and hears "Welcome, you've got mail"
Next day, Pence logs in and hears "Welcome, you've got mail"
Next day, Pence logs in and hears "Welcome"
Pence checks e-mail to see that he had new messages but they were marked as read
Pence calls IT team
IT team is like uhhhhhhhhhhh

 

Anti-Trump people, let's not be as stupid as the anti-Obama people worry. Let's care about the big issues not stupid BS.

(Republicans crying about 4 AMERICANS DEAD was the biggest cynical joke ever. Republicans don't bat an eye at 4 dead of any nationality, unless it makes them afraid for their own safety. Republicans LIKE battle deaths.)