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What is your biggest concern or critique with Trump thus far?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Feb 28, 2017.

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What's your biggest concern/complaint/critique with the Trump admin?

  1. Attacks on the media

    9 vote(s)
    32.1%
  2. Lying by Trump and his henchmen to American people

    21 vote(s)
    75.0%
  3. Anti-immigrant and fostering anti-minority stance

    15 vote(s)
    53.6%
  4. Budget plan falls short of deficit reduction / securing entitlement.

    6 vote(s)
    21.4%
  5. Poor choice of appointments

    10 vote(s)
    35.7%
  6. Neopotism

    6 vote(s)
    21.4%
  7. Not having a solution for health care

    11 vote(s)
    39.3%
  8. Attacks on the courts

    11 vote(s)
    39.3%
  9. Ordering attack on Yemen that yielded nothing and cost SEAL's life

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
  10. Too many conflicts of interest / profiting off presdency

    12 vote(s)
    42.9%
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  1. JayGoogle

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    Guess you didn't think hard enough then.
     
  2. BleedRocketsRed

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    I didn't support him or vote for him but given the circumstances, do feel like he has been doing a good job overall.

    The media in this country is corrupt. We should all know this. It's controlled by a small group of people who use it to push their agenda and control the airwaves. They are trying now to paint him as a "biggot" despite the fact that he hasn't done anything remotely racist and it is disgusting/unfair.

    How is it even possible that not a single newspaper endorsed him prior to the election? Not even newspapers in heavily conservative states. Yet he garnered close to 50% of the vote...

    He is the first in my lifetime to take on these crooks head on. And I do wish him well. Perhaps one day, we will have freedom of the press.
     
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  3. wouldabeen23

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    You're funny, don't ever stop being you--they legitimize(d) him, not the other way around. Nor does the NYT/CNN/NBC/TIME/etc(even FOX) need Trump to be relevant.
     
  4. wouldabeen23

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    Well done steak with ketchup--clearest proof yet that The Orange One is a Russian agent. That shiTE is UNAMERICAN
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    Your ignorance is on full display yet again. Expelling ILLEGAL immigrants from south of the border. Not all immigrants. ...and by the way - Obama expelled plenty of illegal immigrants!
     
  6. BleedRocketsRed

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    It really has gotten the point where if you try to converse with somebody who has been brainwashed by media and you say anything positive about Trump (no matter how logical your point may be), people get angry and accuse you of being supporting of neo-nazis.

    It is the same tactics the media has been using for years.

    Examples:
    • If you say something critical of Israel, you are an "anti-semite" (even if you are supportive of the Israeli state and have nothing against Jewish people). Furthermore, not all Jewish people are Zionists but regardless, saying something negative (no matter what it may be and how serious it is), you can get painted as this person with hatred towards a religion.
    • If you say something negative of homosexuals (or even say a joke), you are a "homophobe" (even if you are strongly for gay rights and have nothing against gay people, you can have friends/family who are gay and be very close to them but it doesn't matter because you said something negative).
    • Same for black people, say something negative and you are a "racist." You can literally say "the officer was fearing for trying to do his job and the suspect was resisting putting him in a point where he felt like his life was in danger" and be called racist for saying that.

    It is ridiculous. It's how they shut you up for having a different viewpoint. And that is what is going on now.

    They are painting him as "giving a voice to neo-nazis" (though he hasn't really said anything to their cause at any point during the campaign or his presidency). And people are buying it and using it to try and shut up people with an alternative viewpoint.

    Nearly 50% of the population voted for him. How is it that people seriously believe that close to half of this country sympathizes with neo-nazis? Why would they choose to remain in this country if that is their belief concerning millions of people around them?


    I do not think the manner in which he is going about it, labeling them all as "fake news" and shutting them out is the right way to go about it but something does have to be done. These are people who aren't willing to reason and are highly corrupt. All they care about is money and have been brainwashing the public for decades to get it.
     
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  7. bigtexxx

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    Shhhhh! What you say is accurate, and is really hurting the left. Their strategy of labeling people neo-Nazis and racists only hurts them, which is why they continue to lose election after election.
     
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  8. dobro1229

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    Please... you are insulting everyone's intelligence if you want to minister Trumps rhetoric here too and say that "We are only focused on the bad ones".

    Trumps original travel ban affected thousands of LEGAL green card holders by the way. he's ALREADY directly affected LEGAL immigrants & would have done much more if the courts hadn't stepped in.

    You and everyone here knows that the Republicans view Immigration (legal and illegal) as a threat to sustaining their power. However Trump's braintrust takes it even deeper than just winning elections.

    Directly from President Bannon himself-

    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/steve-bannon-legal-immigration-problem

    Here's another-

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...of-immigrants-it-isnt/?utm_term=.1efa090a5913

    I could post quote after quote after quote of this guy who is the brain trust behind Trump's immigration policies. Whats even more crazy is Right Wingers like yourself want to sit here and lie that you are somehow Pro-immigration... legal or illegal? Sack up and be honest and tell us the truth about what you really believe.

    Have some balls and stand up for what you believe in instead of playing politics & hiding behind a sad anecdote where we politicize a poor victimized family like Trump is going to do tonight at his speech where he politicizes a victims family shamelessly that was victimized by someone that happened to be a Mexican illegal immigrant. At least have the ball to stand here and say Here's why I blame immigrants for my problems. Have some F-Ing balls.
     
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  9. JuanValdez

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    Poll didn't include options for:

    * Seeking to ally with dictator Putin and to turn a blind eye to the atrocities in Syria
    * Shifting the tenor of our struggle against terrorism toward a war of civilizations with Islam
    * Blowing up our relationship with Mexico
    * Seeking to dismantle the global network of relationships that drive American wealth and power
    * Advocating facile solutions to complex social problems
     
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  10. No Worries

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    This is not a new thing.
     
  11. Nook

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    Yes, and I am so proud to see that Trump has decided to have the father of someone killed by an illegal immigrant as his special guest when he addresses congress.

    Trump clearly isn't a race baiter or xenophobic.
     
  12. apollo33

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    The rollout of that 7 country ban was the most amateur thing I've seen out of a government in a long time. they were sending out memos days after to clarify because of mass confusion at airports.

    The appointees are also very questionable imo, Education woman doesn't really know anything about it, and wants to defund public schools, the EPA guy hates EPA

    Other than that, I don't care about the rest imo, it's all media circus. Couldn't care less about Russia, couldn't care less about deportation of illegals.

    He really hasn't done anything other than signing a bunch of executive orders and a bunch of generalities, let's see how his budget plan is.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    So can I reply to this without you getting defensive please? I'll try to be polite here.

    My personal opinion here is that Trump, his supporters, and the right in general can't just sit and hide behind "The Crooked Media" and brainwashed liberal conspiracy forever and always. My problem is the constant blame on everyone else and no self actualization. Just like Trump needs to take ownership of his actions & words (not holding out hope here), his supporters have to do so as well, and not fall into the ease of blaming everyone else, and vilifying everyone else as brainwashed liberals.

    For instance - As you said... if you say something critical of Isreal...does it make you an anti-Semite.... maybe not, but your words can still offend people. Those are your words, and if you say them you have to back them up.

    Saying something negative about Homosexuals or Blacks..... well I'd say if you are going to go down that road, you better think about your words very carefully. talk to someone who is gay or black respectfully about why you see things a certain way, ASK FOR THEIR PERSPECTIVE, and you might just learn something about your beliefs in the process.

    I know people want to live in a Non-PC world, but it just isn't that way, and never has been. Even back in the 50's (the golden "Leave it to Beaver" age for conservatives if you ask them), we had a very hushed society on certain issues where people were careful not to offend. Its only in the past 30 or so years where we've opened up the conversation to start speaking about more issues, and now everyone all the sudden wants to drop the PC.

    I'm all about dropping PC as much as we can, but it has to be in a respectful & non-hateful manner to be constructive. Someone like Milo from Brietbart THINKS they are being PC, but really they are just being an bigoted offensive as$hole. The truth is you can't just say anything and everything and get away with it if you just say first that you want to stop being politically correct.

    I do NOT think that all Trump voters are racist, anti-semitic, or even hateful people. I think there are some very good people that voted for Trump including close members of my family. Please do not think that EVERYONE on the left is out to attack you because I sure as hell am not. I just want those Trump voters & card carrying Republicans to be able to put down their partisan hats and push their leadership to put country over party when needed. Push Trump yourself as a supporter to be better than he's been.
     
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  14. Rashmon

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    Always fascinating to watch the numerous "non Trump supporter/voters" vigorously defend and rationalize his every move. Sad.
     
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    education, environment, and energy.
     
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    FIFY
     
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    His potentially disastrous trade policy.
     
  18. Hey Now!

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    You see more and more of this... I didn't vote for him but approve of his performance... and, OK - I'll take you, and the others, at your word. But I can't help but see a slight disconnect... I mean, there's a reason you didn't vote, or even support him - none of those concerns have reared their ugly heads? Or are you shocked at how (ahem) well his term has started?

    Too often, the media fails to live up to its ideals, I'll grant you that... but think about what you're proposing; that a largely independent block of disconnected people are conspiring to lie to and influence people - to what end? What do they get from it? And why didn't it derail his candidacy?

    More importantly, if the news media in this country is corrupt, where do you get YOUR information?

    There's room to push and pull on political correctness; I'm a card-carrying liberal and even I often roll my eyes at some of the pedantic dead-ends liberals are willing to create - but to say he "hasn't done anything remotely racist" undermines much of your credibility. Hell, Paul Ryan disagrees with you* and that guy is a soulless jackal.

    * I even sought out Briebart's story so you couldn't claim media bias.

    I want to clarify... because in another post, you claimed, "Nearly 50% of the population voted for him." - this is objectively NOT true. Nearly 50% of the people *that voted* voted for Donald Trump (~46%), and that total was still *less* than the number of people that voted for Hilary Clinton.

    But 49% of the country didn't bother to vote. Altogether, roughly 25% of the country voted for Donald Trump. It's possible that 49% that didn't vote are Trump supporters... but then... why not vote?

    But any idea that Trump received an overwhelming mandate from the population.... no, not true.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    I voted for his lying - but my concern is rooted in a more overt campaign of fear mongering - which includes, of course lying and exaggerated claims. He wants people afraid of Muslims, afraid their jobs are being taken by immigrants; afraid that crime (inner city; ie black) is on the rise... none of which is remotely true - but fear breeds irrationality and that's a bubble - beyond fact and fiction - that's nearly impossible to penetrate.

    I use the same example often - but if you're afraid to fly, it does not matter how many verified sources of data I present to counter that fear, it won't make a dent... you're going to be petrified. Trump is using that tactic so blatantly, it's sort of sad how many people fail to realize how much they're being manipulated.
     
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  20. Deckard

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    Isn't it? They appear to relish their ignorance. Trump's assault on the First Amendment isn't seen by them as an attack on our free press, a foundation of our democracy, but rather an effort to "save America" from the "ravages" of the Fourth Estate. Donald Trump is seen by them as their "savior," their savior being a corrupt businessman who is a pathological liar, a bigot, and quite possibly, in my humble opinion, guilty of treason by accepting the help of a hostile foreign power in his quest to "win" the election.

    They seem to believe that ignorance is a virtue. I happen to disagree.
     

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