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Does Rox Fans See Dekker and Anderson As Our Future Going Forward

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ABS, Feb 13, 2017.

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  1. douglasreedy1

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    Yeah but TBF the "back room talk" sounds legit.
     
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  2. HTM

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    who is saying the Rockets future is Dekker and Anderson?

    Never seen comments like that....

    Harden is clearly the only constant in the Rockets future.

    Anderson is a great fit next to Harden because he is one of the best three point shooting 4's in the league... if not the best..... not sure if anyone saying he is the "future" of the Rockets though.
     
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  3. napalm06

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    Why you gotta hate the white chocolate like that?
     
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    so true.....We had Marcus though....
     
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  5. ABS

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    Lol@ the jury still being out about Parsons. This guy just signed two big contracts (completed one) with the Mavs and Memphis and never lived up to the hype about him.

    He's a borderline bench-level player.

    Rox Fans are making the same mistake about Dekker. And they are VERY SIMILAR players. How the hell can you say they have different styles? Give me a break. Guys like that don't veers too far off from the same "typical skill level.

    Dekker is doing exactly what Parsons was doing: acting like he got athleicism, can shoot the 3-ball and be some kind of "glue guy".......Im sure that will be the next hype about Dekker from certain Rox Fans that Dekker is our "glue guy." Watch, it'd be coming in the short years ahead.


    But Im not here to point that out. I'm trying to show the "method" how Morey operates. He's taking "better players" and making them assets when they should be keepers.

    And replacing them from their rightful spot in the rotation with guys that haven't proven themselves. And it's wrong. That's wrong! He's putting a double-standard on proven talents and giving them no room for errors lest they lose their spot to an unproven player that the general consensus would be against that logic. And the Coach have no power to veto the move.

    But that's how Morey operates, and we let-go so many good players due to that:

    - R. Covington
    - Troy Daniels
    - K.J. McDaniels (still with us, though).


    Next, he will be trading Montrezl and keep Zhou Qi, for example. It's a backward logic or a reverse-logic from the norm in how we see and assess "talented players"...and we expect those guys to be keepers but Morey make them trade assets while keeping the "inferior talents." And even drafting for inferior talents when there were better talent on the board during Draft Nights.

    And the ultimate goal is always leading up to get a Star player and having a manageable cap sitatution that's fluid enough to give Morey flexibility to do big trades and all that.

    Like I said, it's a clever stragety but one that treats players bad, and like property. And in the process, we are losing quality pieces and keeping average to below average assets.


    That's not good as is evidence right now where we can't beat out the competition for surprised availability of marquee players like Ibaka because we're working with trade pieces that wouldn't headline a trade package for a quality players like Ibaka.

    Ask any GM in the league if they would take a trade package of Anderson and Dekker for Ibaka, and they'd hung up the phone and curse under their breathe for having their precious little time, wasted.
     
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  6. Shroopy2

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    That is a bad comparison there. What kind of player was Trevor Ariza in his FIRST FULL year? THATS the direct comparison to make. He sucked until he went to the Lakers. Thats why its called having a FUTURE, because young players need time to DEVELOP for LATER.

    And and yeah, many "superior athletes" in the league, I think we know what THAT is referring too..o_O
    This is the BIGGEST LOAD OF HORSES@%T posted in 2017 GARM. There's almost nothing here even worthy of a response. Just complete fantasy

    Provide proof of Morey actually saying You know, people have suggested Wilson Chandler to me as a pickup. That boy can play, good suggestion, fans! But I just like my people better, ESPECIALLY Sam Dekker! You better come with some Paul George before I even THINK about trading Dekker!"
     
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  7. ABS

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    It's not "what kind of player Trevor Ariza was in his first year." It's what kind of player he is today for those thinking Dekker is "ready" to replace him when his contract is up...in 2 years.

    Will Dekker be a standout defender?

    Will Dekker be a consistent 3-point shooter?

    Given what he is now, his trajectory is a LONG CURVE to match that kind of skillset. And that's a big "IF" he can match it. He has no lateral quickness. He's not a natural shooter. He has no solid skillset that he do well. Sort of a poor-man jack-of-all-trade. Parsons was like that. Look at him today. Dekker will follow a similar fate to Parsons.

    But Morey seems to not see that. He think guys like that are "sturdy-built" to last. That's all he looks for, is a "sturdy built" guy, and not seem to value "althelicism" and real talents and skillets that matters in the NBA.

    Look at a lot of his past acquistions and you'd see the profile-player he always have in mind. Those "sturdy" types:

    - Papanikalou
    - DMO
    - Parsons
    - Casspi
    -.Dekker


    The sturdy-types.that he thinks excels in the NBA. Go look up what "sturdy" means and you will immediately think football players than basketball player. The strong types, hard-nose, charging etc.

    Those type of talents gets SHUT DOWN in the NBA. You need agility, athelicism, bouncy, quickness, speedy, long, chicken-legs and that type of build. Dekker is a STIFF.

    Morey don't underatand that, though.
     
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    Some terrible takes in this thread.
    Some even worse spelling and grammar.
     
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  9. Codman

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    I think we're 3rd in the West.

    Have many seats.
     
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    There are trolls still hating on Dekker. Certainly he's shown his value. Whether his future as a Rocket is safe, we'll see at the deadline.

    Right, Cod?.....Cod? (Sound of crickets chirping) Yo, Codman? (Sound of insider's smirk becomes deafening) OK, fine! JUST FINE! I'll wait it out!
     
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    WTF??
     
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    Release T-Will, he's got the talent!
     
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  13. Haymitch

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    ITT race baiting troll says Morey treats black players like property.

    ABS: You just made the list!
     
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    I think "Sturdy", is just a veiled racist insult. Notice all your examples are white guys. Dekker has shown excellent athleticism. He is relentless on the offensive boards, finishes strong at the rim, has been decent from three and off the dribble. He still needs to work on his lateral quickness on defense and from all signs, working on improving is no problem for Dekker. The comparisons to Parsons are accurate, but Parsons was headed to near all star level before injuries derailed his career. Dekker looks more "Sturdy" and will continue to improve.
     
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    Anderson and Dekker the future??

    @J Hard faints and then recovers and commits suicide.
     
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    Personally I think the long term and max potential defensive 4 for this team is James Harden.

    Instead of backing off of this style of play imagine taking it farther and replacing Anderson with a Klay Thompson type.. you don't lose any shooting, you get faster, you have solid perimeter defenders all around, and you force teams into the inefficient postup 2 point game against our best player, who needs to be at his very best and be challenged for us to have any chance of winning a championship.

    He is stronger than he is fast, we've seen he's better as a post defender than a perimeter defender, i guarantee you he's tired of being thought of as a defensive liability and would be motivated by the legit opportunity to average a triple double as the PG on offense and the PF on D.
     
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    He'd get murdered playing the 4 consistently. Not only that he would get in foul trouble. He does do an admirable job at defending the post for a SG/PG for short spurts, but no way he could handle it full-time for a game much less a season.
     
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  18. StrawberryJamm

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    Maybe, could say the same about Ryan Anderson or Sam Dekker. Name the PF's that would easilly be able to back James Harden down that wouldn't be a liability against a 4 guard 3 point killer lineup.
     
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    Not saying Dekker or Anderson is a good PF defender either. But James would get worn down terribly banging with PF's. He would be less effective playing offense, would get in foul trouble, and it would shorten his career. He is strong, but not that strong. I think Dekker is a SF long term and Anderson is what he is, a stretch 4 that plays crappy defense. The answer this year is to trade for a defensive 4 that can match up with Memphis and San Antonio. Ibaka is the perfect fit, because he can hit the 3 and can play defense when he puts in the effort. Unfortunately, doubt we can get him without losing Dekker. I'm ok if we could get him with a 1st and Harrel who will always be a tweener. We will have to figure the Memphis match up or we are going to be out in the first round.
     
    #79 Hemingway, Feb 14, 2017
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    If mason plumlee can be moved (while getting a pick back) then Anderson can be easily moved when needed.
     
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