Green's Odd Triple Double Is not a good band name, but maybe album name. There'd be horns, and choppy chanty singing.
Posters should take notice, what picks have they had? When you have had picks high enough to pick Curry and Klay, you can afford to develop someone like Green.
You originally said this... It's easy to develop multiple stars when you had picks high enough to actually draft players capable of becoming stars. We never had that to begin with, so telling Morey to take notice is an asinine request. Also, what do you think we have been doing since we got Harden? Parsons can't be helped, but we have been developing Capela. Some think he can become a star. We have already given Dekker and Trez minutes with MDA, way more than last year. We have been developing PBev since day once when he arrived only able to play D. We developed D-Mo by having him learn how to shoot and pack on pounds of muscles before he went full r****d and ended up screwing himself. Point is, "kicking the can" was just something we did when we didn't have anyone that was a star or capable of becoming one.
again draymond was 2nd rounder isaah thomas was also 2nd rounder, the 60th pick for crying out loud! you just got to be devoted more to finding them and creating the environment for them to develop than to chasing stars
IT is an exception and was also drafted by a team with a star. Green would have been a scrub on any other team. What's your point? You don't waste time on developing unproven rookies that did not show star potential coming into the draft. You wait until you have one first when your boss doesn't let you tank.
I don't reject the idea that we should develop guys, but I do reject the idea that 1 or 2 2nd round picks turning into stars means you should just keep all of your players and never try to upgrade because all they need is time. The reason they make a big deal about IT and Draymond being 2nd rounders is because of how rare it is for that to work out the way it did.
I think Green being a scrub on any other team is an insane statement to make. He might not be as valuable. But stretch 5. Best playmaking big (handling + passing). Maybe best defensive player in the NBA. Kinda important things.
For someone like Green to have been successfully developed coming out of college (meh scorer, undersized, not very athletic, limited individual upside) you need to put him in an offense that has a lot of shooters, needed a big man, and had a coaching staff competent enough to use him as a stretch point forward. The guy was basically a larger Battier. He is the type of player he is NOW after being surrounded by elite shooters, but that's not the same player that was drafted and if he was on say the Bucks, Hornets, or Heat, he definitely wouldn't have become the player he is now. There is a reason he dropped to the 2nd round. Including GSW, that was like 2-3 teams if we discount coaching. Factor in coaching and the Rockets drop out.
Calling Draymond a scrub means you need to stop posting here because you know nothing about basketball. You are a disgrace to Clutchfans.com
Nikola Jokic 41th pick? Its not as rare as you think and even if it is, it could be very well due to psychology of star chasing/worshipping in NBA not because they lack talent
Didn't he fall, because he was under contract in Europe, and still very young. Had he been free and announced he wanted to play immediately, he probably goes sooner, no? I really don't know his story, other than he didn't play first year, because he was under contract.
Out of curiousity, do you think Kawhi would have been good on a non Spurs team? You're essentially using the argument that was held against him. Either way, with the league was going if Draymond played hard and practiced hard he would have been good. He was always supposed to be someone who could do a little bit of everything. Switch Draymond and Ryan Anderson and we probably are better than the Warriors.
i dont know his story too but whatever the point is you can find superstars in the second round or develop a 2nd rounder into superstar if youre not too busy kicking the can
I 10000000000% do not think Kawhi would have been half the player he is today if he was not drafted by the Spurs. It is a legitimate argument when you think of what type of player he started out as and what sort of development was provided to him. Kawhi, like Green, is a great example of the leeway teams with superstars and good coaching in place can already do. Both had the luxury of being drafted into such situations. Like I said, Green came into the league as basically a bigger Battier. In his case, he was surrounded by great shooters and a great coach that could figure out how to properly use him. How would that have worked out if a team like the Nets or Lakers drafted him? He would probably still be a role player coming off the bench. Well of course we would be better off with current Draymond vs current Ryno. What kind of comparison is that? One guy has been properly developed by what was a superior coaching staff (Kerr to McHale? LOL) and the other is a lot older with back surgery in his history. Since Green was not available this offseason, not sure what point you are trying to make here.
And teams that just missed the playoffs can get that 1st pick despite super low odds. What's your point? No one is saying that you cannot find people that end up being superstars in the 2nd round, but you fail to mention the actual important point, which is why this happens so rarely (maybe 2-3 players every half decade) and why it is not always feasibly possible. If you have an established core that can compete, you can afford to develop players. If you don't, you chase for a star through trade, free agency, or draft.
You've never heard of comparing PFs before? Also McHale really was the one developing Ryan Anderson. Definitely not Stan Van Gundy. If he was on the Nets with Jason Kidd he would have been amazing. Lakers with Byron Scott probably not.
- You ever heard of comparing PF's when it actually makes some sense? What is the point comparing Green to Anderson? Is Green anywhere the same age? Is he available for us to get? Does he even have the same game? It's basically apples to oranges at this point. - Learn to read. If we have drafted Green, it would have been McHale coaching Green. Does anyone trust McHale to develop anyone? I certainly don't. - I doubt it.
What? People always compare players who play the same position. How the hell is it apples to oranges? Did you just hear about comparing things to apples and oranges and then were desperate to use it or something? I'm not talking about trying to get Draymond. I'm putting a standard hypothetical about players switching teams. Jesus, the absolute desperation to look smart is kind of pathetic. I'm pretty sure Parsons developed pretty decently under McHale. How can you give so little credit to Draymond? It's absurd. Jason Kidd put in a small ball lineup with the Nets to maximize them pretty early. But sure.
The thing about Green is that he's the glue guy, doesn't mind being the glue guy and he's really spectacular at being the glue guy. I think he's the most important part of that team, too. But, then they also have Iguodala who is another great glue guy and comes in off the bench for them, how ****ing crazy is that? I mean, Golden State pretty much has their own glue factory and it was all made possible because Dwight didn't sign with them and chose the Rockets instead. Funny how history works out, but people forget that the Warriors wanted Dwight as much as we did. You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find that you get what you need.
