Didn't take Bannon long: GOP Senators seek to cut LEGAL immigration

So...Waco?

eta...hell, I have a few projects I could use some help with, I'll think about some of you people every time I pay the hombres.

 

Learn how to cook, out of necessity if nothing else.

 

I do but in White America there is no Chinatown or Asian or Indian markets I can go and get ingredients from. In White America exported goods like spices would be too expensive for me. The only spice I'll never be in short supply of is salt. I see salt going on the rise in America for the foreseeable future. I guess I'll just have to get used to corn on the cob and potatoes though, which are great when spaced out between meals. But see, to cover up the blandness of corn and potatoes everyday in White america, I can add pure fat to it and it'll taste less bland. Butter from good honest god fearing Christian cows across this great nation. And the best American beer to wash it down with. Coors Light! Yeehaw!

 

If it helps, what Dei writes is sad and pathetic. That's a real eye opener!

You're polluting D&D threads with repetitive character attacks when the positions some Conserverative posters take have reach and meaning beyond that person. If all these posters are as dark as Dei in your bipolar world, then we're in a lot more trouble as a society than just posting angry words on a sports forum. This petty tit for tat is why I avoid cable news and shows with mindless cheerleading because of that same exact poisonous bullshit.

That last part is just a friendly ask to spend your energies elsewhere. If only for my sake and others on the D&D. Please help save Clutchfans. I believe in you.

 

Mine was sardonic as well. I was merely adjusting my speech to the tone of the conversation.

 

I see. My only advice is when you're sailing to the eastern colonies be sure to put a metric ****ton of hops in your barrels of beer as a preservative, people will pay good money for nasty bitter beer someday, I bet.

 

The D&D is dead. There is no substantial debate going on here.

There's a dagger, bigdog, and a few others you deem has having some kind of valid POV - they aren't even listening to what anyone writes. I don't take this cesspool seriously anymore. Not sure why you do.

 

You've been saying that for years, and you've also been contrite when you were directly responsible for its lower tides. What I'm saying now is that attitude is hot garbage.

Whether I take anything seriously is a choice. There's some corollary in there somewhere.

 

Not even you can dig out that shining corollary from this cesspool I.F.

You're a good man. Or woman. I know not. I push limits. I break things, and in the spirit of our new president, it's time to roll the dice and shake things up a bit.

The high road is a good road, but it doesn't mean that getting dirty and taking the low road isn't effective either. Look at Trump!

 

It was not. You actually defended yourself at first. Look you exposed yourself as a racist. Honestly, I respected you more for that post than any other you have made because it was the most honest thing you wrote on the BBS.

I don't think you should be shamed for having those views truth be told. I'd be interested in having a real discussion with you now, without the posturing, if you are open to it. Why do you feel that brown people are uncivilized? What do you have against us?

 

Nope, it isn't. That is pretty clear.

Were it to be debated, it could turn into a fairly good discussion, which they might have some good points to add to, were they to bother.

 

Well, if you choose the most extreme posts or articles, I can understand that view. But even in this thread, people are open to talking about it. I sure am. My opinion is let's talk about it but a dramatic, non-debated slash of 50%, after 25 consistent years, is kind of extreme. And as I said, it's only reasonable to wonder if a key advisor's recent statements about non-white immigrants has played a role in this decision.

I'd like to see how the policy will create excellent jobs for, say, high-school educated heartland Americans. Where's the study of this or what existing example do we have of this? Anecdotally, I see immigrants doing all kinds of work established white Americans just won't do, like spending 20 hours per day running a bodega on a street corner. Damn, I wouldn't want to do that. When would I ever post?

 

I am not going to weigh in too much on cutting legal immigration, other than to say that under different contexts it would be easier for people to be open minded about considering.

However, when the current President has floated the idea of:

1. banning Muslim immigration in the past

2. building a wall against Mexico and said Mexicans are bringing "rapists into the USA"

3. Guiliani on national television says that Trump wanted a Muslim ban.

4. Ran a good part of your campaign on deporting Mexicans and Muslims....

Well, concern about why Trump wants to ban LEGAL immigration is justifiably a concern.

On a side note, I cannot think of a modern American administration that can close to Trump on the negativity scale. His entire platform lacks any optimism. He also really seems to dislike America, he constantly rants about how bad America is.

 

I don't really have, in principle, a problem with shifting our immigration focus to getting high-skill people. That means more H1-B and less sponsored family members. That's about improving our economy, making sure we continue to win internationally, and not about protecting jobs of Americans.

But, in this thread, I think we've been vague about what this bill is supposed to do, so I think we should list:
* It shrinks the set of relatives a citizen or permanent resident can sponsor for immigration to just spouses and minor children. Currently, you can also sponsor parents, adult siblings, and adult children.
* It would include an exception to allow you to bring parents on a renewable visa that would not allow them to work or take public benefits, if the children guarantee financial support and health insurance.
* Eliminate the diversity lottery (50,000 visas per year).
* Limit the number of refugees granted permanent residency to 50,000 per year.

I have 4 concerns on this plan:
1. The focus on the "nuclear family" is rather ethnocentric. Many cultures have a more multi-generational dynamic with grandparents and other relatives as part of the household. The implication here is that we don't want that model, we just want parents with kids.
2. I don't know anything about the diversity lottery, and need to learn. If the only immigration we have is familial and H1-B, are we getting the right mix?
3. A bit concerned about capping refugees. The number of applicants will ebb and flow with events abroad, and having a cap doesn't seem very dynamic. However, the cap is on permanent residency. Refugees can stay on a different status for awhile.
4. What's the right number? There's an economic dynamic of jobs, growth, resources etc. I think you want to use immigration as part of the mix for growth, but you don't want to grow too slow or too fast or in the wrong way. What is the economic argument for 500k?

 

It was sardonic. I was satirizing your comment.

 

So, is it about reducing the Asians and Latinos, or about increasing jobs for Americans?

FWIW...you don't many Asians in IT here. Or Latinos. Engineering, probably, but not IT.

 

America is becoming Slytherin.

 

Any examples of where this is actually happening? In America, the states with the higher immigrant populations (legal and illegal) also tend to have higher per capita GDP. That would seem to show immigrants aren't depressing wages. Plus can you tell me how a relatively low skilled immigrant is going to depress wages for high skilled people? They aren't competing for the same jobs.

 

Let's see the jobs that migrant workers are "stealing" from Americans to depress wages.

Dishwasher
Oranger picker
Delivery man
Nanny
General laborer

Why is it that I don't see this as ripping apart our economy?

As for legal asian immigrants stealing our jobs. They aren't stealing anything, they are outcompeting our sorry asses not on price but talent.