Why do you guys bother with the far right supporters?

As is your calling anyone a partisan hack and talking piece. In fact, nothing you've said since the election is anything but being a partisan hack spewing the liberal rhetoric. It doesn't reflect poorly on anyone but you. Clearly, you intend to continue, just further validating the stereotype you have become. Which typifies the reaction of most of the left, and why they won't make any gains going forward. . Every single post you make just further ingrains the stereotype. Eventually, even those on the left will tire of it..it's already happening. There was a point where I would have cared what you thought, but you have removed any semblance of objectivity or even ability to have a discourse. That's on no one but you. You will probably continue to spew insults and rhetoric, and I'll probably continue to point that out, and who is then the 'hack' in that scenario? Hint: it isn't me.

FWIW: your inability to back up any of the accusations you made against those you listed previously is duly noted, and, again, oh so typical of you lately. In fact, you doubled down on it, just digging yourself deeper down the hole you've crawled into.

 

I have backed plenty of my posts and your response is to say facts are biased and ignore them. Facts are useless, you people just make up your own alt-facts. You think Clinton Cash is fact. You are so lazy and uninterested in knowing the truth, you'd rather live in ignorance and believe in your alt-reality then do a simple google search.

I'm not going to waste my time showing you the truth when you won't believe it anyway.

Instead of doing a google search and learning something, you stick to your Beibert knowledge run by a white supremacist and you can keep attacking me here. Maybe if you took 5 seconds and that search though...oh no, can't burst your bubble can you? Live in ignorance my friend, enjoy that bliss.

 

I see you made no effort to answer. This is because you don't have information to back up your assertion.

I want to direct you to a post I made the same day you made this post elsewhere on this site.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...-ming-intro-video.280371/page-2#post-10915469

The 2 Rockets players I'm referring to as my all time favorites are Yao Ming and Hakeem Olajuwon. A person of Chinese descent and a person of African descent and a Muslim.

This isn't very congruent with your characterization of me...someone who you've never met or spoken to.

It is a real shame you wouldn't even give me the benefit of the doubt. You "went there" because of your own misconceptions and bias. Don't be too quick to pass judgement on those you disagree with. It's unfair and quite counterproductive...unless of course your mission is to harden others resolve against your own viewpoints.

 

Keep playing this bullshit narrative as if there isn't merit to being vehemently against unprecedented levels of incompetence and facism. We have a president know that recieves more of his knowdge that shapes his paradigm in policy FREAKING CABLE NEWS than actual intelligence breifings. We have apresident so far up his own ass that he has the audacity to brag about ****ing ratings at Holocaust and CIA memorial speeches. We have apresident who is ****ing irked when the media doesn't support his narrative that he had the most popular inaguration in American history. We have a president who at a unprecedented level only listens to a small inner-circle of advisors and skips the opinions of the Justice department, homeland security etc before he signs it. Executive order hence the debacle with barring active green card holders to their own ****ing homes.

Stfu. Stop acting like what the current adminstrations is doing isn't unprecedented.

 

Lol. I can't believe you actually used the 'my favourite athletes are minorities' argument. I just... Wow.

 

I've done a google search today looking for information that invalidates the reporting done by the NYT, WaPo, and ABC concerning the Clinton Foundation which was spurred by the book Clinton Cash. While there has been some push back by progessive groups, I haven't seen anything that specifically invalidates their reporting. I would also note that the FBI has a current open investigation ongoing based upon the book which certainly would lead one to conclude the overall validity of its contents.

Can you please link sources that counters the above? I would be interested in reading them. Thank you in advance.

 

Why? Am I not allowed to like Yao Ming or Hakeem Olajuwon because I lean conservative? I wonder what their take on that would be.

 

Is that what you got from that statement. No... Nothing wrong in supporting athletes that are minorites. Good on you. Using it as 'proof' that your 'cool' with minorites is however complete bullshit and proves your lack of understanding of actual complaints.

Everything has to be explcit open racism to you inorder it to be called 'racist'.

 

Thank you.

Do you have some specific proof that I'm not 'cool' with minorities?

How do you know this?

 

Do you realize the book is from the staff of Biebert???? I mean seriously - how can you say it's unbiased?

 

Just wondering what college you went to

 

I'll say that many people are quick to throw around the racist term or to imply it. I don't do that much, although some posters here have made it very clear what they think about non-white groups of people and deserve to get called out on it. I know other left leaners here will say Bobby's one and some others, I disagree there. I think we've had 2 of them on this forum. One has poofed away from here and the other is pretty active.

I also think that so many people think of racism as something....well how they define it. I think a racist is anyone that sees another race as superior, ranks races, or attributes bad qualities to entire groups of people based on their race. I do get that the natural reaction to being called or implied a racist is "Well, I have a friend that's..." but it is a tired excuse by now. Slave owners had slaves that they were 'friends' with. Men can be misogynistic all while having a wife that they claim to love and a daughter or two. It doesn't absolve you of the claim but I do feel we should not be asking to prove people if they are racist or not. I think people need to step back, everyone, and when in these discussions ask if the other person they are talking to willfully would like to oppress other people or lack empathy for others.

I think too sometimes racism gets confused with bias. You see this in the whole "If you don't like ______ race romantically, then are you racist?" no, because everyone has their bias there...but it is a subject I've debated with other liberals who swear that if you are not attracted to black women then you are the very definition of racist. People define it differently, which causes issues...

Honestly, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this. From my experience here, you've never said anything remote racist. I think conservatives, though...their messaging is bad. I've always said this, on social issues Conservatives (if you look at polling and believe it) should have way more of the black vote than they have had, but their message is often very insensitive and sometimes insulting.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic...but I think it is important that even here in these forums that we all confront our biases. If we all can be a little honest with each other then at the very least we'll be a bit more informed. I don't mind talking to conservative posters here.

 

@JayGoogle - racism isn't this binary thing - it's a spectrum of varying degrees and often not a conscious act. Keep in mind that most racists won't say racist things but are still biased. Implicit biased tests show that 90%+ of people have racist tendencies.

It's clear from many of the posters like Bobby they have strong bias against minorities. They spin it in other ways to make it seem that the color of their skin has nothing to do with it, but it's pretty easy to read through that it is indeed long-rooted bias.

 

Oh my god. The liberal circle jerk really happened. The pages are filled with AIDS.

 

I don't think biases are racist, well it depends. I think being racist is the idea that races are better than others. Saying for example that you don't find Asian women attractive means you hate Asian people. It doesn't mean you wish to see Asian people driven from the country.

Are there people unconscious of their racism? Yeah. I think though that for most intention is important. For people like Bobby if they say they aren't racist then I'd rather take them at their word and challenge them to stand up to their beliefs when the time comes than disregard them completely. I guess that's just me.

Insightful commentary from the peanut gallery. Proving he has nothing to offer to the thread.

 

I think when someone say they are not racist but they support policies that are obviously racist then it's enough evidence to show they are going far beyond finding people of that race unattractive.

 

I agree. These people are just being duplicitous when they do that. I just don't think biases are racism and a lot of times people will call it being racist. We do have biases, I think we have to be honest about that and I think that's why the country has laws to protect against such biases.

I'll be real, I don't think many conservatives are racist but people are so partisan nowadays that they support policies that do affect race without really realizing what they are supporting. I've made it clear throughout posting that I feel the GOP has been an incredibly divisive party since the Civil Rights movement, but I feel like a lot of conservatives will support racist policies all with good intentions. In that, they harbor no ill-will towards a minority, they may even have a bias towards that minority...but still support these policies. I mean we have people that vote against their own interest for partisan sake.

 

Likewise.

And, you continue to do nothing but (falsely) stereotype, throw around baseless insults, and then have the gall to say that's what others are doing. You do nothing but insult, then call others lazy and uninterested.

You are a sad sad caricature of all that is currently going haywire with the left. Continue living in your little safe haven you have created in your mind, telling yourself how great you are, and how stupid, sad, and evil everyone else is, all while living in a bubble where you somehow think you are the ones being all inclusive. Can't decide if it's more comical, or sad. Probably equal amounts of both.

Funny that you call it a 'bullshit narrative' while typifying the narrative itself. Can't put a sentence together without invectives in it. All from the supposedly inclusive party. riiiiggghtt. Not that the points you raise aren't worthy of discussion...I would even agree with many, if you'd get off your f'ing high horses and tone down the holier than thou attitude. But, nope, can't do that, because we're just all so inclusive and kind and caring!

Unprecendented...how? EO's? You mean, just like Obama? Implementing stronger immigration checks? You mean, just like Obama? On seven mostly Muslim countries? You mean, just like Obama? Is that what you mean by 'unprecedented'? Gotta luv liberal logic.

He has a point about the media...as I have pointed out. He does make jibes at people in twitter that are unnecessary at best.

Skips the opinion of others before signing it....wow, talk about spewing rhetoric. Homeland security has specifically stated that they were not only consulted, but contributed in large part to the writing of it. Do agree that it was still rushed, and poorly worded.

 

I really don't understand how not tolerating a president who uses cable news as a primary source to make policy magically makes me a hypocrite that is not inclusive?