African migrants drown themselves in the Med after sinking own boats expecting rescue

Lol, as if your posts are not shitty?

Oh, I'm the backslider and yet you can't even admit you are a racist despite saying incredibly racist things.

 

Not the exact same situation, but alluding to what ATW has said and why I also think Dei's story is true:

In my college town, Jena, hundreds of tenants were kicked out of their apartments in order to put refugees in.

So yes, extremely shady sh** does indeed happen and there's no backstory that would justify it. You guys really need to realize that many of the nightmare stories coming from Europe are completely true and that it's not just extremist propaganda.

Again, I'm not against the act of giving refuge itself, but there are a boatload of disturbing things happening and I wish some of you would inform yourself a bit more (Edit: I understand it may be difficult if you have no access to native news and stories, so feel free to ask the European CFers to confirm or comment) before claiming everything said is right-wing propaganda.

 

Did you read any of my posts?

1. I never disputed the initial claim that the owner had to house 15 migrants

2. My suspecions of Dei's claims center around his claim that provides no sources that this will force the owner to lose his business with no compensation along with his and the owners claim that it's a certain given that these specific migrants will cause destruction of their property. My question stems around whether these specific 15 indivudals have a history of violence to make it such a certainty that they will destroy their property. I want to see if Dei is capable of practicing indivudal merit.

3. The hotel owner volunteered initially to house migrants for compensation. He was promised only Syrian families according to Dei and instead got 15 male Africans. I want to hear the details of the agreement from another source other than Dei and an explicit white nationalist YouTube channel. You understand why I just don't take someone like Dei's claims as truth. He has narrative to propogating

4. Dei isn't European I believe. He sticks to his white nationalist media bubble to gather ammo for his propagation of his narrative regardless of their objectivity.

5. Part of that narrative he tries to push is a projection of a uniqually European issue due to geographic location on to the States just like the Trump adminstration.

 

3: I explicitly said my case was only to illustrate how likely Dei's story is and that forcing tenants out of their apartments is in no way a unique case, neither are there backgrounds that would justify the actions taken by the state.
I found this site to validate the claims made in the video, check the answer stated below the question: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q...derly-hotel-owner-to-house-african-illegal-im

Regardless of this story, there are similar cases in Germany and other parts of Europe, many hotel owners and apartment owners were forced to give their rooms to migrants, without any negotiation whatsoever. Some have successfully sued, but in in a lot of cases they couldn't do anything against it.

Regarding 4: Dei isn't, that's why I advised you guys to ask for comments from European CFers when things like this pop up.

5. Agree, Europe's case is unique and shouldn't be used to defend Trump.

 

From the link you posted it doesn't mention anything about the owner having to go under as Dei claimed. Also Dei qnd the store owner claimed that these specific 15 migrants from the video are garentueed to cause property damage as if it's a certainty. I just want to know if he has any background information of these specific 15 and apply indivudal merit rather than some stories of refugee camps having fires in them.

Don't worry, I believe you Yung-T in regards to many European buisnesees having to shelter migrants by cohersion. It's unfortunate. Honestly, I have no sembelence of a solution for Europeans migration crisis. It sucks... For both parties.

 

Agree with you, one should stick to facts when discussing these things. That said, I understand why the hotel owner would lose his sh** and fear for the worst. Majority of refugee camps are in good shape after the migrants leave, but I've heard of and also know about local camps/apartments that were in shambles afterwards, with everything trashed, feces on the floor etc.

The hotel owner and the youtube site should've played it more serious and just question the legal aspects of forcing him to take migrants in, the unnecessary parts about predicting violence etc turn attention away from the real issue and make discussion difficult, as you can see in this thread.

That said, I think things are looking up a bit, with less refugees coming and many also going back to their home countries after being disappointed of Germany and Europe (which ironically also shows how full of sh** these guys were, as they suddenly can go back to their country after claiming to flee from war and political persecution). There are also many regulations being made that will hamper the ability of migrants to come to Europe and quicker ways of sending them back.

 

Isn't the largest issues with unvetted migration in Europe the Meddeterianian Coast? That still seems to be an issue. I mean a 'wall' would be impractical I assume.

 

Here is the issue though, people here ARE using it as extremist propaganda. Dei doesn't count this as a refugee problem, he thinks it is a problem of race. You and him are arguing from two different points.

 

It is indeed difficult to deal with such a large coast, one step in the right direction is the law they're working on atm, where refugees that are spotted coming by boat will be sent to Libya. It's not in place atm as current conditions in Libyan camps are inhumane.

Other ways to deal with it would be keeping every single refugee in the country they arrive in, mainly Greece and Italy. A large amount of migrants that are stuck there and only came for economic reasons return to their home countries.

 

Dei is crossing the lines of course, but we still shouldn't hide the fact that there is indeed a cultural issue. I don't like how Trump and right-wingers are using Europe as a way of defending their policies and attracting supporters, as the refugee crisis doesn't translate to US issues, but some of the concerns and the ensuing crisis is indeed related to culture and religion.

 

Which is, of course, what some of the crazy leftists like "sirbaihu" always try to deny.

 

The issue of culture is a seperate issue too. If you had a bunch of say Russian refugees, culture wouldn't be the issue but the issue of having too many refugees would still be there. I've said before that it is a problem, obviously some countries can't handle a large influx of people just because they simply aren't large enough.

When it comes to culture though, I feel it is something that should be given more respect when having these discussions in that it is an issue of its own. There is an everlasting culture war between religions and countries, I think there always will be, but most of it goes unnoticed...

 

It's not about culture, Syrian crises created a vaccum that attracted different types of fighters ,some from North Africa,who had the intentions of fighting Assad but found out ISIS is just the flip side of the coin.or hired fighters blackwater style fighting for any front at much lower rate

Europe have terrible measures when it comes to immigrants, they hand pick the craziest,most bigots , the extreme bad apples without proper verification then they wonder what's went wrong. The only newspaper that dare to glorify Bin Laden is published from the the UK to this day.

200-300$ can get anyone a Syrian passport authorized from Syrian government

 

Talk about lying and changing the narrative. Wow.

 

Each of the camps holds something on the order of thousands of migrants, right? It takes a relatively few bad apples among those thousands to set property on fire. I am just pointing out to you that it is an unwarranted logical leap to infer that any given migrant is likely to be destructive to the property granted to him.

If these property owners/managers are concerned of the danger of such a thing happening, given those incidents, I cannot blame them. Perhaps this is all you're trying to say, in which case we have no real disagreement. But believing it is statistically likely that they will be vandals or rapists is a generalization that the evidence you presented doesn't bear out, in my estimation.

 

Why do you always go "Anyone that reads through the thread will see...", you realize people don't really care to? Are you waiting for someone to swoop in for you or something?

Anyways, your post did everything you accused me of doing. It misrepresented my views completely as you clearly didn't read my post before or simply just didn't understand it or care to.

As for you, you are the guy that believes there is an ongoing white genocide, correct? If someone believes that there is something that major going on then it is likely, extremely likely, that they are coming from it from that perspective. Am I wrong? You said, in this thread that white people should be scared of brown people because brown people are rapists. Are you going to backslide from that?