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African migrants drown themselves in the Med after sinking own boats expecting rescue

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Dei, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. Dei

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    Because your complaints are ****ing immaterial. You already admitted that forcing the hotel owner to take in migrants involuntarily is wrong. That migrants cause property damage is a known fact that can very easily be verified: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=migrant+fire

    The problem with the way you liberals debate is that you ask for more and more evidence while disregarding everything presented up to that point. And the moment new evidence is provided, you don't own up to it. There's an actual name for this technique - the Socratic method which is a method most often used for teaching or casual conversation than any serious debate because it implies one side provides all the information while the other side just keeps asking questions, looking for a contradiction. This is what the The Daily Show does. In any serious academic circle, you'd be laughed at for being an ignorant know-nothing. The correct way to argue is to research the topic on your own and then come back with contradicting evidence.

    It's like you're scared of finding the truth out on your own.
     
  2. JayGoogle

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    And yet, no one even answered his question...lol..talk about shady arguing techniques. Just more "Blah blah liberals blah blah."
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    You could have just provided a link to a story with context...

    I'm not going to believe your narrative. I'm not going to believe your narrative that the Italian govenment will ruin this man's business to the ground for 15 migrants. I believe you are exaggerating claims as evidence by no sources other than your mouth and a video from a obvious white nationalist YouTube channel.

    I don't believe you. I have no reason to believe you. Provide other sources.

    I'm also explicitly referring to these 15 individual migrants not some random fires? Did they do them?

    Apply some indivudal merit for once in your life.
     
  4. durvasa

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    His question of how it can be assumed that the migrants will cause property damage is a fair one. Citing incidents where damages were caused by migrants in refugee camps (that's what I'm seeing from your google search) does not mean it is sensible to assume that if you board migrants they will probably damage your property. This is quite a claim to make, and the burden of proof would be on your side to provide evidence for it.
     
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    Not just migrants in general but these specific 15. Does Dei know anything about them that we don't? Do they have a history of violence? Let's see if Dei is capable of applying indivudal merit.
     
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  6. Dei

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    I just gave you lots cases of migrants burning down camps. Your concern is how can I prove not all of them will burn their houses? What's your overall opinion on the government forcing people to take in migrants into their properties and the matter that migrants have in many, many documented cases, burned down their provided settlements?

    You have not commented on African migrants sinking their own boats so your opinion does not count.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    So any information on these specific 15 migrants? Do you have other links to this story besides a video from a white nationalist YouTube channel and your own commentary?

    That is all I'm asking and all you are doing is gishgalloping about the Socrates method and 'academic circles'. You are a STEM guy like me. I doubt you have academic discussions regarding political science. Stop ******** lies from your ass.
     
  8. JayGoogle

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    According to who? You?

    You've yet to answer his question. You're just using bad and simple logic here, the same logic you used earlier when you said that white people SHOULD be scared of brown people because brown people are rapists. Really, that is not the logic I'd expect from a scientist.
     
  9. durvasa

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    People should not be forced to provide boarding for anyone in their private homes. Regarding hotel or apartment property owners, it is more debatable. They must be duly compensated, at the very least.

    The only real point of disagreement here, I think, is whether the presumption that migrants must be degenerates who will very likely cause property damage is warranted.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    If you read Dei's original commentary, the hotel owner did volunteer to house certain migrants for compensation. Apparently this wasn't what he asked for. Then again, we only have DEI's trustworthy journalism to go by and a a video posted on a white nationalist YouTube channel. Dei also is making the claim that this incident will result in the man's business falling under. These are all claims I want verified. Dei isn't a primary source. He's a BBS poster with an alleged chemistry degree. I'm not taking his word for it.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    I wonder if Dei had the unfortunate luck of slipping out of a Syrian or African vagina would he be one of the responsibile migrants who migrated the legal way of waiting multiple years while your family is starving.
     
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  12. Dei

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    Hol up. You dodged most of my post there m8:

    The fact that you're in this thread commenting on a discussion about a subtopic while not giving any insight to the main topic which is about African migrants capsizing their own ships to get into Europe.
     
  13. Dei

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    You throw that label to everyone you disagree with so it's sounding like you're crying wolf again. Honestly, I haven't looked at all his videos, because I think the video speaks for itself, but it looks like a guy whose cause is documenting the negative effect of migrants in Europe. Are people not allowed to do that? Because, by that reasoning, many pro-leftist causes should be banned too; as an example, global warming activists for not showing the positive contributions of fossil fuels to bettering people's lives.

    Even if it were a WN channel, he can't put up evidence? Are you saying everything in that is fake? It's a fake hotel? White nationalists hauled negroes into a building, dressed as cops, and paid a grampa to act like he's having a breakdown?

    PS. I've never bragged about my chemistry degree. The times I've mentioned it were to give my insights as a practitioner to a science related topic. We're in a BBS, as you say. Commonsense would direct you verify everything you read by yourself, which you're missing on doing.
     
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    That channel is a white nationalist YouTube channel. No ifs ands or buts about. Their sole purpose is to propagate the narrative that minority immigration=bad. Half the comments have profile pics with white nationalistic symbols such as swastikas. It's exactly the type of place where I expect someone like you to mingle and circle jerk in your own alt bubble. Which one of those profiles with the swastikas is yours dei?

    You still haven't provided any other sources besides the video and your own commentary.

    Also, do you know anything about these specific 15 individual migrants for the store owner and you to make almost certain claims that they will destroy the property? Do we know if they have a violent record? Why do you refuse to answer these questions? You are the one who provided us with this sorry in the first place and now we want some more nuance.
     
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    Not much to comment on regarding the OP @Yung-T provided thoughtful commentary towards the subject. I think my posts are relevant because they show you have an implicit bias and so you don't even care to prove your point. For you it's as simple as "Brown=bad." It really is that simple for you.
     
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    you can't stop illegal immigration ,
    In Saudi Arabia, Jeddah/Mecca hospitals in particular, on daily basis dozens of newly born abandoned infants to Africans mothers who presumably assume their children may have a better future this way, every infant assigned a personal baby sitter as they are raised in orphanage

    Germany paid massive compensation to Jewish victims, the same treatment should be given to Africa for those colonial era from various nations
     
  17. Dei

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    lol ok monkey

    Well I disagree. I think they just cover the uglier side of immigration that MSM refuses to do. But, hey man, I think the video speaks plenty for itself. And they're not responsible for WNs commenting.

    No m8. Like I said in the first post of this page, you're the one not providing reason why your concern matters and I refuse to go along for the ride you're trying to take me, which is something your ilk does in the way you argue.

    So, you explain to me right now, this is basically the same stuff I asked @durvasa, which you could have replied to but did not. The point made was:

    Honestly, I think the post stands by itself. Why do you need to know whether or not those specific 15 have a criminal background? Does it negate the fact that landowners are terrified of housing migrants because there are numerous documented cases of migrants trashing buildings?

    I'll answer your query about whether or not I know about these 15 individual migrants if you answer me, I promise.
     
  18. Dei

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    Blame the Africans for having sex when they can't support the children. What kind of irresponsible people are they?

    Africa gets millions in aid each year and they still can't make civilization.

    I'd blame the terrorists who destroyed my land. I'd blame the coward men of my country who, rather than fight, fled leaving their families behind. Everybody gets handed some bad hand. A have and have nots mentality is not the way to think. Acts of charity are consensual not compulsary.
     
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    Okay, racist.

    Or mister "Brown people are rapists." but "I'm not a racist." guy.

    Lol, you really think that's some neutral unbiased channel? Are you really this dense? Yet you have the audacity to attack "MSM" while not seeing that you yourself wrap yourself into alt-right and white nationalist news media bubble and just treat everything they report as fact?

    You made a claim that you can't and refuse to prove. He's just calling you out on it.

    Honestly, fear is irrational. If your argument is that their fear makes it right then that's a load of BS. Millions of black people are terrified of the police, millions of non-white people in the US are terrified of this administration. Does this mean that their fear is valid just because their fear exists? You'd disagree with that right?

    This is the problem with people like you, you think your paranoid and cowardly thoughts are enough to oppress others. (Evidenced by your views on LGBT rights) That's not logical thinking, it's just being terrified of everything around you and needing the ultimate safe space.

    Complete ignorance shown here. Really nothing else to say but it's clear you know little about the continent and its history.

    According to you, you'd also be a rapist lol.
     
  20. Dei

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    That's a shitty ass post full of crap arguments and, in light of my previous encounters with you and your ability to backslide, I'll take a pass. I'm talking to other people right now.
     

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